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Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by CharlesW »

mhh__ wrote: post #27
bombcar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole thing feels very ... "original xbox" to me. Hear me out. It was argued that a big part of the original xbox for Microsoft was making sure they had a toehold in the gaming console market because that market had a change of disrupting the personal computer - and if that happened, they wanted to be there for it and have something ready to go. They did something similar with phones, and we can see how it specta…

I could imagine that might have been why it came about originally but that line of thinking doesn't seem to justify the R&D spend alone. I'd imagine they have some belief in it being able to make new business of its own. If I'm not mistaken this is the first properly post-Steve product?

> If I'm not mistaken this is the first properly post-Steve product?

Jobs publicly bemoaned the lack of, and presumably thought a lot about, "headphones for video". I think it's a safe bet that he set the stage for Apple Vision (and probably sketched out a 50 year plan) with current Apple leaders before his death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0OGmNDKVg

> "You know, the fundamental problem here is that headphones are a miraculous thing. You put on a pair of headphones, and you get the same experience you get with a great pair of speakers, right?

> "There's no such thing as headphones for video, right? There's not something I can carry with me that I can put on, and it gives me the same experience I get when I'm watching my 50-inch plasma display at home."

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by happyopossum »

surfingdino wrote: post #158

I guess Apple had to do Vision Pro to make investors shut up, but I have a feeling it will be the next Pippin or Lisa. Apple does exceedingly well when there already is a growing mass market and they can offer something "better". Home computers (Apple II), PCs (Macintosh), smartphones (iPhone), tablets (iPad). They don't always succeed, e.g. servers, gaming consoles. There isn't a growing mass market for heavy and ex…

> tablets (iPad)

There effectively wasn’t a tablet market before the iPad.

You also forgot ‘mp3 player’ - which was a market not created by Apple but there wasn’t really a “growing mass market” - it was niche at best.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by walteweiss »

_xnmw wrote: post #153

This review confirmed this is exactly what I need. I don’t care about my hair messing up, I work from home. I don’t care if the display doesn’t look as good as reality, that was never my expectation anyway. The display just needs to look good enough to work with fine text and hi-res images. I don’t care if it’s too heavy to wear for hours at a time, I always work in 25 minute blocks anyway. Breaks are good. I don’t c…

My train of thought was similar to this, but I’m worried about my eyes. Although I’m not sure whether it’s worse than me looking at a regular screen all day long.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by browningstreet »

GeekyBear wrote: post #155
htk wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to see a common theme of "It's great, but not there yet."

Can you think of examples where a company starts making a product in a new category and nails it on the first iteration? Experience shows that they will keep on iterating on it year after year. The thing I was most interested in was if they could nail an intuitive UI right from the outset.

VR headsets have been around for many years now and why does anyone believe a somewhat better version of those things would hit critical mass? It seems like the form factor is as much the problem as any of the implementations. Many people really wanted an Apple version to be a game changer. Maybe this game can’t really be changed?

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Post by LeafItAlone »

pmontra wrote: post #151
monkeynotes wrote: post #29

I think this is like a modern example of the Apple Newton in the sense it's impressive, has uses, but it too soon to be widely adopted. I think this device will flounder, early adopters will struggle to make full use of it because of all the compromises. Take it on the plane? Why? It will run out of power in 1-2 hrs (if you remembered the full charge before you board). Lugging all that bulk just for a movie on the pl…

> what couple has $7k to drop so they can watch TV together Together and alone at the same time. Eye contact and unhindered vision of the face of a partner are important things.

There’s no requirement to wear them 24/7…

You can get an awesome 2-3 hour immersive movie experience and still look at your partner after. A good cinema experience already envelopes me and makes me forget I’m surrounded by a hundred others.

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Post by oatmeal1 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #37

Some other early reviews that are up: CNET - Apple Vision Pro Review: A Mind-Blowing Look at an Unfinished Future https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/apple-vision-pro-review-... WSJ - Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset Yet Is Just a Glimpse of the Future https://www.wsj.com/tech/apple-vision-pro-review-39f2d82e?mo... Tom's Hardware - Apple Vision Pro review: A revolution in progress https://www.tomsguide.com/c…

Joanna Stern is an incredible reviewer.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by madeofpalk »

ninkendo wrote: post #125

I ordered mine on day one and it'll get here Friday. I work from home and intend to use it at my desk for (1) a bigger display for my mac and (2) native apps for things like Slack/video conferencing/notes/imessage/etc and hopefully I can have a productive environment with it. I figure it'll be cool to work at a national park or on the moon or some such, and to have more real estate to put my apps. I plan to use my ph…

I can't imagine this being a good computer monitor. Low resolution + pixel scaling issues would make this be a pretty uncomfortable experience.

But, i haven't tried it (nor do I plan to any time soon), so I can only guess.

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Post by throw0101d »

nox101 wrote: post #106
PaulHoule wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good analysis. Part of it too is that Apple feels pressure to do something innovative. They made some big bets in the 2000s that paid off very well but a company that has a hit like the iPhone becomes profoundly conservative. The trouble is that there aren't many market opportunities bigger than smartphones, there's a possible iCar and an iHouse and that's about it. Apple's worst fear might be being successful as a n…

I wonder if an iTV would sell. All mondern smart tvs are covered in ads and spying. monitors of similar sizes cost 3x to 4x. so to me there might be a market for a non spying iTV with bultin Apple TV for say 1.5x. Or not, not sure enough people care about those issues.

> I wonder if an iTV would sell. All mondern smart tvs are covered in ads and spying.

Probably best to just connect TVs to some box (Apple TV, Roku, etc) via plain HDMI and leave it that. There's no technical reason to connect TVs to an IP directly anymore IMHO: what would that actually provide over and above what you get with some box/stick?

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Post by s3p »

surfingdino wrote: post #158

I guess Apple had to do Vision Pro to make investors shut up, but I have a feeling it will be the next Pippin or Lisa. Apple does exceedingly well when there already is a growing mass market and they can offer something "better". Home computers (Apple II), PCs (Macintosh), smartphones (iPhone), tablets (iPad). They don't always succeed, e.g. servers, gaming consoles. There isn't a growing mass market for heavy and ex…

>There isn't a growing mass market for heavy and expensive VR headsets.

According to Statista, there is[0]. The market is expected to grow by about 10% annually for the next half decade. Moreover, if this weren't a growing mass market, I don't think FB would have renamed to Meta and gone all-in on VR headsets. They just dropped the Quest 3 which undercut their 3x as expensive Quest Pro. The tech is rapidly improving and the market is definitely growing so I think it's natural that Apple wants to enter it.

[0]https://www.statista.com/outlook/amo/ar-vr/worldwide

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by hbn »

nox101 wrote: post #106
PaulHoule wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good analysis. Part of it too is that Apple feels pressure to do something innovative. They made some big bets in the 2000s that paid off very well but a company that has a hit like the iPhone becomes profoundly conservative. The trouble is that there aren't many market opportunities bigger than smartphones, there's a possible iCar and an iHouse and that's about it. Apple's worst fear might be being successful as a n…

I wonder if an iTV would sell. All mondern smart tvs are covered in ads and spying. monitors of similar sizes cost 3x to 4x. so to me there might be a market for a non spying iTV with bultin Apple TV for say 1.5x. Or not, not sure enough people care about those issues.

Apple won't even make a consumer-targeted dedicated monitor, I can't see them doing a TV.
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