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Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by jimt1234 »

causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

One thing I've found interesting with social media and children is that almost every parent I know recognizes the impact social media has on their children, but they willfully ignore it or feel powerless to avoid it. I hear stuff like, "It's impossible for kids to not be on social media. It's required these days.", and "The social consequences will be worse for them if they're not a social media."

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by zamadatix »

bentt wrote: post #382

I am here to report as a parent of children that I have been able to keep them off of social media by not getting them phones, controlling the Internet in the house, and paying close attention.

My (non-technically inclined) nephew age 14 managed to get caught with an old Wii u from a friend and was using it to browser the net at 3am via the friend's (neighbor) Wi-Fi. I don't think paying close attention, as much as it should be done, is really the be and end all answer for everyone to know their kid is never on social media or sites they shouldn't be on. Beyond this example unless you're home schooling them in remote isolation with regular prison level searches there are going to be other ways your kids do things you wouldn't like them to. If you are talking about that kind of setup I'm more worried about that in society than Facebook.

That doesn't mean parents should not pay attention or give them easy access but I'm not sure the proud proclamation is really solving or responding to the conversation at hand. Most likely, IMO, it's a problem without a single golden solution.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

shuntress wrote: post #488

Everyone here seems to be forgetting the root of this problem: Algorithms that select content (including ads) need to be treated as publishers rather than platforms . "facebook.com/users/my_friend/posts_in_cronological_order" is a platform "facebook.com/my_feed" is a publisher

Wasn't this how things were before Section 230? If your act as a dumb pipe then you're a provider and if you curate then you're a publisher.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by selectodude »

FireBeyond wrote: post #516
cmiles74 wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emancipation of children is also a thing, where a minor may petition the court to be treated as an adult. This also falls afoul of a blanket age restriction. https://jeannecolemanlaw.com/the-legal-emancipation-of-minor...

I think there's an ambiguity here. Even on this page, talking about "for all purposes". This seems to mostly refer to parental decision making and rights. i.e. even as an emancipated minor, being treated as a "legal adult" does not mean you can buy alcohol or tobacco.

Being an actual legal adult does not mean that you can buy alcohol or tobacco.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by hobs »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #527
lukev wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet (and probably unconstitutional under the First Amendment, to boot.) It's the same problem with requiring age verification for porn. It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and…

The internet has not been anonymous in fact or theory for decades now, and if you think the government can't get your complete browsing history on a whim I'm guessing you haven't paid any attention to the news about NSA buying user data bundles from online brokers. That said, "muh freedoms" is hardly a quality argument in the face of the widely documented pervasive harms caused to children by exposure to social media…

As the OP said, if freedoms are not a quality argument then we can rid ourselves of millions of guns, but this is a non-starter for the freedom crowd.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by smeej »

neom wrote: post #431
satellite2 wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a cryptographer so I might miss something but I have the impression that - either a stolen card can be reused thousands of time meaning that it's so easy to get a fake that it's not worth the implementation cost - either there is away to uniquely identify a card and then it becomes another identifier like tracking ids.

It would be neat if some authority like the passport office or social security office also provided a virtual ID that includes the features OP described and allowed specific individual attributes to be shared or not shared, revoked any time, much like when you authenticate a 3rd party app to gmail or etc.

Putting on my conspiracy hat for a minute: They don't want to make it easy for you to authenticate anonymously. They obtain their surveillance data from the companies that tie you, individually, to your data. They'd be shooting themselves in the feet.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by stevage »

lukev wrote: post #210
causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet (and probably unconstitutional under the First Amendment, to boot.) It's the same problem with requiring age verification for porn. It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and…

>It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and privacy-destroying.

Surely not.

Imagine: government sells proof of age cards. They contain your name, and a unique identifier.

Each time you sign up to a service, you enter your name and ID. The service can verify with the government that your age is what it needs to be for the service. There are laws that state that you can't store that ID or use it for any other purpose.

Doesn't seem impossible.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by bdangubic »

causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

we have laws against drinking and smoking / vaping… for kids under age of 16 and that has been working so GREAT that we should get more of these laws in place (federal preferrably) so that our kids can be even healthier adults. moar laws please - need as much of federal government in our families and parenting as we can get that I’d suggest 1 federal agent be assigned to each child born to ensure healthy adulthood

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by Ferret7446 »

WindyLakeReturn wrote: post #400
ajhurliman wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a ban on gambling for minors, so if you see social media as more harmful than gambling (personally, I do) it probably makes sense.

The ban we have on gambling seems weak. From trading card games to loot boxes to those arcade games that look to be skill based but are entirely up to chance, children are allowed to do all. The rules feel very inconsistent to the point that they appear arbitrary in nature.

There's a pretty clear difference between gambling and "gambling": whether you're winning money.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by notbeuller »

One possible result of this that sounds dystopian cool - script kiddy kids < 16 spinning up mastodon server instances and creating their own very leaky insecure rolling social networks. Unless it suddenly becomes illegal to run a server without a license.
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