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Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by kayodelycaon »

brocklobsta wrote: post #222

This is a very complex problem. Its not just social media, but porn and other content that is not intended for young eyes. One issue I have is with the age verification system. This will either be totally ineffective or overly effective and invasive. I feel legislation is drifting towards the latter with the requirement of ID. One idea I had is a managed dns blacklist of inappropriate content. The government can have…

I don't even want the blacklist idea floated.

In a few states, you'll imminently see any information about LGBTQ+ people, include mental health resources, on that blacklist. (This has already been the case for decades in various school districts.)

And I'm not even trying to exaggerate. Ohio is working to eliminate any transgender medical treatment from the state. They've already succeed in making it nearly impossible for minors and now they are working on preventing adults from receiving hormone treatments.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by tmpz22 »

iosystem wrote: post #352

The tech industry needs an association similar to how doctors join the American Medical Association, where they can collectively agree on ethics and guidelines that must be followed. Any person in tech is behaving unethically if they assist in implementing software to restrict children in Florida from accessing information on the internet that their peers in other states can access. Florida shows little concern for t…

The AMA has many problems but Ill just mention one - they artificially restrict the number of graduates each year WHILE reporting nation wide shortages. Its not a silver bullet for ethical behavior or efficient economics.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by huytersd »

causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

Right there with you. This is probably the only thing I’m on board with the republicans about.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by huytersd »

lukev wrote: post #210
causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet (and probably unconstitutional under the First Amendment, to boot.) It's the same problem with requiring age verification for porn. It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and…

Ah so be it. I don’t care much for the things that come from anonymous culture. I want gatekeepers. This tyranny of the stupid online is pretty tiresome.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by riversflow »

Longlius wrote: post #374
riversflow wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no age limit to that restriction Wrong I’m afraid. Minors don’t have full rights, that’s why their bag/locker/car can be searched randomly, why they can have speech abridged, why they can’t see NC-17 movies(edit: scratch that one). The supreme court has weighed against minors many times.

>why they can’t see NC-17 movies This is not a law, this is a voluntary regulation undertaken by the motion picture industry.

Good call, edited.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by mynameisash »

ribosometronome wrote: post #207
monkeynotes wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gambling is outright banned for a majority of regions in the US, not just kids. I don't think they are equally bad, just different bad. Gambling is addictive, and it destroys people. Social media is addictive and socially toxic, on the whole it erodes the very fabric of a society.

>Social media is addictive and socially toxic, on the whole it erodes the very fabric of a society. It's interesting how every generation seems to decry new forms of media as eroding the fabric of society. They said it about video games, television, music, movies, etc. I'm sure we're right this time, though.

It seems that all data on the subject of social media point emphatically to, Yes! It's terrible for adolescents[0] (and probably society writ large?).

[0] https://jonathanhaidt.com/social-media/

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by dotnet00 »

akerl_ wrote: post #2

This makes me think of how, as a child, every site asked “are you over 13”, and I diligently clicked “yes”. Some more clever sites asked for my birth year… forcing me to do the arduous work of taking the current year and subtracting 14. Though I suppose the real plan here is to pass the law and then have the government selectively prosecute social media companies for having users under 16.

Yeah, similarly I had just gotten used to entering an elder sibling's birthday whenever asked. Adding these arbitrary age restrictions does nothing but make it increasingly obvious to kids how little our leaders and other supporters of these arbitrary age restrictions actually care.

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Post by mrguyorama »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #4
ratg13 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a guess .. but I get the feeling the 'law' is more to get this in the mind of the parents. It gives parents tools and guidelines that can help them direct their children. Whether this is a good approach or not, is a whole other argument.

It also gives the parents an excuse to limit their children. "I'm not being mean, it's the law."

Anyone who turned on a dome light in a car during the night knows you don't need an actual law on the books to do that

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by redder23 »

I am all for it but the question is how will this be enforced? If they use this to require government ID on every other website now and crack down on semi anonymous accounts and go full surveillance I do not like it.

You might say "they do know you are when you make any account" and it might be true, well if I would use a VPN all the time and really no let any info slip maybe not. I just to not like the total deletion of privacy.

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