I would prefer it to be straight 18. Much more reasonable limit and I think 16-18 is very vulnerable group from effects of social media.
Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
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#72Government needs modern digital first ID/authentication services.
Probably, but that's a tough nut to crack. A significant chunk of the American public is insanely anti-federal ID.
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#73I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…
Answering a problem with unenforceable garbage like this doesn't seem like a very sound strategy.
This discussion can be seen every time when the EU decides on some regulation against tech industry. A lot of people will jump that it won't be enforced, then when we see the first fines those people will jump that it won't move a needle, then when the tech giants do change a bit their course then... well the tech bros will always find a reason to jump against doing anything to curb tech.
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#74Does YouTube count? Yes I think TikTok is largely a hellscape for my daughters around this age. But one of them learns all sorts of crafting projects via YouTube and the other has taught herself an incredible amount on how to draw. Would be a shame to throw away access to resources like this with the bath water.
The law has a list of applications that are specifically excepted. User tzs posted it in this thread.
It seems like YouTube would be covered by the ban because it doesn't fall under any of the exceptions. The closest one is this:
"A streaming service that provides only licensed media in a continuous flow from the service, website, or application to the end user and does not obtain a license to the media from a user or account holder by agreement to its terms of service."
But of course YouTube does "obtain a license to the media from a user or account holder", so it's not covered by this exception.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> age restricting voting, driving, or alcohol and tobacco sales I think those things are a bit more black and white. How do you define social media? Is HN social media? You engage with others through comments, posts are ranked and it has voting elements as well as your profile has a gamified score for upvotes. Is a Disqus comment on any website social media if that's how we broadly define social media? Where do we dr…
The social media platforms the bill would target include any site that tracks user activity, allows children to upload content or uses addictive features designed to cause compulsive use.
That covers a massive range.
"I hope someone likes my review" is not that much different than "I hope someone likes my tweet" or "I hope someone replies to my IG post" or "I hope someone replies to my HN comment".
All 4 scenarios trigger the same thing which is setting up a future expectation that's hopefully met while you wait with anticipation of the event. Is that the process they are trying to get a handle on?
Personally I don't know how any of that could get enforced. Even making the internet read-only wouldn't work because that wouldn't stop people from internally comparing themselves to someone else who is allowed to post. Although that type of thing has been going on since advertising existed.
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#76As a Floridian and someone in IT - I'm curious how this will be implemented I can't remember the last time I signed up for a new social network; do they ask age? Is it an ask to Apple / Google to add stronger parental approval? Verify drivers license #? We heard about this days ago on local news and I've been struggling to figure out short of are you 16 years or older how this is gonna get done and how do you fine so…
Yes, they always ask your date of birth and generally won't allow sign ups for under 13s, it's been that way for almost 20 years.
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#77Does YouTube count? Yes I think TikTok is largely a hellscape for my daughters around this age. But one of them learns all sorts of crafting projects via YouTube and the other has taught herself an incredible amount on how to draw. Would be a shame to throw away access to resources like this with the bath water.
Does she need her own account in her name where she can upload though?
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Adults should not have to enter a credit card to, say, read HN. But kids should. And therein lies the problem...
Why not? Honestly asking here. Let's assume oposition to the law is a "progressive" position: If there is a constitutional right to absolutely 100% friction free access to information then what happens to all the barriers the government has erected to access covid, Trump, Russia and other "disinformation" progressive pushed for? (You can invert this example for a right wing if you want)
Not everyone has a credit card. Some people cannot obtain a credit card. People under the age of 18 can also have a credit card. I do not trust random sites with my credit card.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m normally anti-regulation as well, but as a parent I’m fully on board with this. The amount of peer pressure to be on social media is insane.
Are you asserting that parents should not have the rights to determine this for their own children?
Parents don’t have the right to get their kids a tattoo, vote or buy alcohol before a regulated age. Is this different?