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Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by tnbp »

ip26 wrote: post #40
Goronmon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still on the fence about government doing a parent's job here, especially for kids under 13, but I can't stand that no one pushing these bills has come up with an actually reasonable age verification method. How do you anonymously verify someone's age?

Third party, perhaps. You sign up for service A. Service A queries service B, which knows who you are and provides a one-time ack of your age.

That sounds nightmarish. I don't want the verifier to know what porn sites I visit. Someone else proposed the following system to me: a third party authority issues a certificate which I can then use to prove I'm 18. The CA cannot see where I use the certificate, though.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by insane_dreamer »

goda90 wrote: post #9

I'm still on the fence about government doing a parent's job here, especially for kids under 13, but I can't stand that no one pushing these bills has come up with an actually reasonable age verification method.

> government doing a parent's job

the govt already set the bar at 13, so what's different about setting it at 16?

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by spacebacon »

I would like to see regulation on notifications to address reaction driven addictions as opposed to an outright ban. Classical conditioning is clearly the issue at hand but opponents are not referencing the proven science enough.

If we don’t teach children how to use these platforms in moderation now they will certainly not be educated on how to use them responsibly in adulthood. I’m not against an outright ban totally but we are missing educational opportunities with what is likely an unenforceable attack on the problem.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by pfdietz »

goda90 wrote: post #13
pfdietz wrote: post #7

I can't see how this could pass 1st amendment scrutiny.

How would it be different than age restricting voting, driving, or alcohol and tobacco sales? It seems there's precedent for treating minors differently than adults in many ways.

There's no constitutional right to drive, smoke, or drink alcohol.

As for voting, it's constitutionally mandated that 18 or older can vote, which implies there's no constitutional mandate for anyone younger.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by thsksbd »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #15
bamboozled wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could say the same about smoking I guess ? For kids under 13 to see any of the content , ask them to enter a credit card ?

Adults should not have to enter a credit card to, say, read HN. But kids should. And therein lies the problem...

Why not? Honestly asking here.

Let's assume oposition to the law is a "progressive" position:

If there is a constitutional right to absolutely 100% friction free access to information then what happens to all the barriers the government has erected to access covid, Trump, Russia and other "disinformation" progressive pushed for?

(You can invert this example for a right wing if you want)

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

You can be in favor but in the US it is unconstitutional for a gov to broadly restrict speech. It's why each of these age verification + social media laws eventually get tossed. Legislators know this (or are too dumb to) but it's not their own dollars that are getting burned during this vote-baiting performance.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by brightball »

causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

I’m normally anti-regulation as well, but as a parent I’m fully on board with this. The amount of peer pressure to be on social media is insane.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by insane_dreamer »

tzs wrote: post #33

> The social media platforms the bill would target include any site that tracks user activity, allows children to upload content or uses addictive features designed to cause compulsive use. That does not appear to be correct. It says it applies if any of 3 conditions hold. The bill text says all of the conditions must hold (and there are 5, not 3). Here is what the current text says social media platform means: There…

a lot of loopholes there

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by tedajax »

causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

Answering a problem with unenforceable garbage like this doesn't seem like a very sound strategy.
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