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Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

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Post by Katelyn »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #47
squarecat wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to assume by your naive indifference you are not female, and quite likely are white, because you exhibit the ignorance of someone who's never suffered any type of indignity worse than the label of "dorky programmer". I don't suggest you complain to your non-white, non-male friends about that... #IngrainedPrejudice #DeathByAThousandCuts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel%27s_nose

If the OP had written the poem as "a few boyfriends slept alone..." nobody would have said a thing. If one is acceptable and the other is not... where lies the sexism now? And not that it really matters since we aren't supposed to be looking at race/gender but yes... white & male. And just to round out the trifecta... from (what probably would have been considered at that time) a working/middle class family to boot.…

There's an element of sexism in the poem. It's not hateful but it's pretty overt.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#52

Post by xarien »

dkrich wrote: post #44
xarien wrote: post #43

Aside from all of the other possibly insulting remarks from the post, this particular one caught my eye: "And a few girlfriends slept alone in their beds While visions of exits danced in their boyfriends’ heads" I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be…

> I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be wildly more successful than I would be if she had an inkling to do a startup. Can you spot the irony in this statement?

There is no irony because as I stated, "I'm sure I'm not the only one." This sentence conveys that in "some" not "all" cases women make better entrepreneurs.

Irony would only exist if I made a sweeping comment about all women being better as entrepreneurs, which I assure you, I did not make.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#53

Post by jack-r-abbit »

Katelyn wrote: post #51
jack-r-abbit wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the OP had written the poem as "a few boyfriends slept alone..." nobody would have said a thing. If one is acceptable and the other is not... where lies the sexism now? And not that it really matters since we aren't supposed to be looking at race/gender but yes... white & male. And just to round out the trifecta... from (what probably would have been considered at that time) a working/middle class family to boot.…

There's an element of sexism in the poem. It's not hateful but it's pretty overt.

Would it be possible for you to elaborate on that a bit? Specifically, what part is an element of sexism and why?

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#54

Post by dkrich »

xarien wrote: post #52
dkrich wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be wildly more successful than I would be if she had an inkling to do a startup. Can you spot the irony in this statement?

There is no irony because as I stated, "I'm sure I'm not the only one." This sentence conveys that in "some" not "all" cases women make better entrepreneurs. Irony would only exist if I made a sweeping comment about all women being better as entrepreneurs, which I assure you, I did not make.

Well I don't want to play professor here, but I don't think you understand the meaning of irony. The fact that you find fault with the implication that women aren't just as likely as men to pursue startups but then say that your girlfriend would do much better than yourself at them if "only she had the inkling to do one" is ironic.

You see, you resent the implication that women don't do startups. Your girlfriend doesn't do startups and doesn't have the inclination to do them. You are using her as an example (albeit a poor one) of why that implication is false.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#55

Post by misiti3780 »

dkrich wrote: post #54
xarien wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no irony because as I stated, "I'm sure I'm not the only one." This sentence conveys that in "some" not "all" cases women make better entrepreneurs. Irony would only exist if I made a sweeping comment about all women being better as entrepreneurs, which I assure you, I did not make.

Well I don't want to play professor here, but I don't think you understand the meaning of irony. The fact that you find fault with the implication that women aren't just as likely as men to pursue startups but then say that your girlfriend would do much better than yourself at them if "only she had the inkling to do one" is ironic. You see, you resent the implication that women don't do startups. Your girlfriend does…

hilarious!!!!

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#56

Post by misiti3780 »

Katelyn wrote: post #50
xarien wrote: post #43

Aside from all of the other possibly insulting remarks from the post, this particular one caught my eye: "And a few girlfriends slept alone in their beds While visions of exits danced in their boyfriends’ heads" I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be…

I'm not bothered by much as a female in tech (and believe me, I hear a lot of ignorant, sexist remarks), but this comment really rubbed me the wrong way.

it was a joke

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#57

Post by xarien »

dkrich wrote: post #54
xarien wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no irony because as I stated, "I'm sure I'm not the only one." This sentence conveys that in "some" not "all" cases women make better entrepreneurs. Irony would only exist if I made a sweeping comment about all women being better as entrepreneurs, which I assure you, I did not make.

Well I don't want to play professor here, but I don't think you understand the meaning of irony. The fact that you find fault with the implication that women aren't just as likely as men to pursue startups but then say that your girlfriend would do much better than yourself at them if "only she had the inkling to do one" is ironic. You see, you resent the implication that women don't do startups. Your girlfriend does…

The amount of assumptions you stuffed into the reply is simply mind boggling.

I'll start by dispelling a simple one:

Better half doesn't necessarily equate to girlfriend.

Furthermore, the condescending tone and verbiage used in the reply is nothing more than inflammatory. I would disservice myself to continue responding past this point.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#58

Post by Patient0 »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #53
Katelyn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an element of sexism in the poem. It's not hateful but it's pretty overt.

Would it be possible for you to elaborate on that a bit? Specifically, what part is an element of sexism and why?

The implicit assumption that it's the boyfriends that would be doing the startup and the girlfriends that would be sleeping alone in bed - the implication that obviously it would only be that way around.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#59

Post by Quizzy »

I find nothing wrong with the "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome. I know plenty of friends who went to medical school because their parents were doctors, or it's the "Asian thing" to do, and they turned out to be decent doctors. Same for lawyers, accountants and gardners; a lot of "me too" happening outside of the startup world. Unlike 30 years ago, many more people want to go into technology because it's hip to be in a startup - hell, thanks to popular cinema (The Social Network) and mainstream technology (iOS/Android) geekie hobbies are now cool. People got mocked for playing with their Timex Sinclair in the early '80s, whereas today I have to sign up early in order to reserve my son a spot in the mobile game development bootcamp. Times are a changing, and the OP sounds like the indie college guy who's resentful that his secret band is now being followed by everybody.

Other "me too" activities: marriage, children, golf, smoking, religion, tantric sex... sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. All a part of life.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#60

Post by jack-r-abbit »

Patient0 wrote: post #58
jack-r-abbit wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be possible for you to elaborate on that a bit? Specifically, what part is an element of sexism and why?

The implicit assumption that it's the boyfriends that would be doing the startup and the girlfriends that would be sleeping alone in bed - the implication that obviously it would only be that way around.

It said "a few girlfriends" for carp sake. A few. Not all. A. FEW. The poem doesn't even begin to imply that it would only be that way around. The only thing obvious here is that some people are hell bent on finding injustice hiding behind every word. I feel sorry for those people. :(
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