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Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP says: That’s not what I meant. I know YC is a great place. But why do YOU want to get in? I don't think he was being as critical of the path chosen but more so of why the friend decided to start the journey to begin with. I might be misinterpreting things though.

The friend answered the question: "Listen. It’s never been easier to start a company. And right now, money is thrown left and right. In the past year alone, six of my colleagues left my company to start their own startups. I figured if they can do it, I can too." OP didn't like that answer and skipped past it, and I'm playing psychoanalyst by wondering why.

That answer was a "me too" answer isn't it (not arguing the merits of a response regardless of whether it is or isn't). I think the author (I'm guessing) was hoping for a deeper answer than "I'm doing this because everyone else is and it appears easy" rather than simply skipping over it.

Just playing devils advocate here.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#42
post #37

I don't know if the author was trying to express this particular sentiment, but I am concerned by a general theme that I have noticed in articles I have been reading on HN lately. 1. We are in a bubble, because all these 'useless' startups are getting funding when they should not be (debatable on many levels). 2. Too many startups are focusing on areas that are over like 'Social'. 3. Some people just aren't good enou…

> Too many startups are focusing on areas that are over like 'Social'. See, I like to think of a startup as any other brick and mortar business. If it manages to leap into a world-wide success, nothing wrong with that - but don't expect it. Have a game plan that focuses on the reality around you. A startup isn't always a Facebook or Instagram (although they were too, at a point). It's okay to build an online business…

>See, I like to think of a startup as any other brick and mortar business. If it manages to leap into a world-wide success, nothing wrong with that - but don't expect it. Have a game plan that focuses on the reality around you. A startup isn't always a Facebook or Instagram (although they were too, at a point). It's okay to build an online business and just make $60-120 k/year - you know, like any other B&M business owner. To me a "startup" is simply described as a scaleable model that employs technology intelligently with modern-day principals of delegation, pivoting & management.

The problem is that a lot of startups don't seem to have any plan in place to actually get to the point where they're actually making money on their own. The B&M store comparison is pretty apt here. You don't start a corner convenience store in the hopes that 7-Eleven will come up and buy you. You start the store because there isn't a store there, in the hope that enough people will come and buy stuff that you can make a profit.

That's where a lot of the worry is, I think. Especially because we're seeing a huge amount of VC funding going towards startups that are almost purely pinned on getting snapped up by a bigger company. Instagram is a great example of this. They have a product that has the majority of the current midshare in it's space, has millions of users, is a very cool application on both a technical usability level... and approximately $0 in incoming revenue. And no plan to make money besides "Maybe get advertisers on the platform at some point in the future"(http://behindcompanies.com/2012/04/instagrams-business-model... )[1]. From an investment perspective, it was a very bad investment... until they sold out to Facebook, at which point it was a GREAT one.

I think that's the concern that TFA has. A lot of startups, by and large, have turned into R&D for large corporations rather than traditional entrepreneurial businesses. The concern isn't that people are creating a product that's sold. They're creating a product without any concern about how to make money with it, and are hoping that someone with deep pockets will snap them up. There's a time and place for both, but the second shouldn't be getting nearly as much money as the first.

[1]To be fair, I think that with 30 million users, Instagram would have a viable business model based on advertising, and certainly could have made a profit. The problem, though, is that I don't think that model would return anywhere near the amount that the $500MM valuation indicated. Certainly, it would be in the low tens of millions of dollars, but not in the hundreds.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

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Aside from all of the other possibly insulting remarks from the post, this particular one caught my eye:

"And a few girlfriends slept alone in their beds While visions of exits danced in their boyfriends’ heads"

I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be wildly more successful than I would be if she had an inkling to do a startup.

To reiterate, this form of sexism needs to stop.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

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post #43

Aside from all of the other possibly insulting remarks from the post, this particular one caught my eye: "And a few girlfriends slept alone in their beds While visions of exits danced in their boyfriends’ heads" I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be…

> I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be wildly more successful than I would be if she had an inkling to do a startup.

Can you spot the irony in this statement?

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

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post #43

Aside from all of the other possibly insulting remarks from the post, this particular one caught my eye: "And a few girlfriends slept alone in their beds While visions of exits danced in their boyfriends’ heads" I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be…

It infuriates me because it implies that I'm abandoning my fiancee for a start-up fantasy.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#46
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because your 'we' in this case assumes your reader is male. Again.

Well... I said "mate" for a reason. I didn't assume anything. But not everything can be written with those generic s/he or his/her notation. Sometimes... it just looks stupid. Sometimes a gender must be picked... and it will always be wrong to someone. Why does it have to be an issue all the time? Why do we have to assume that every time a person writes anything and they decide that a character is a male then the wri…

I'm going to assume by your naive indifference you are not female, and quite likely are white, because you exhibit the ignorance of someone who's never suffered any type of indignity worse than the label of "dorky programmer".

I don't suggest you complain to your non-white, non-male friends about that...

#IngrainedPrejudice #DeathByAThousandCuts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel%27s_nose

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... I said "mate" for a reason. I didn't assume anything. But not everything can be written with those generic s/he or his/her notation. Sometimes... it just looks stupid. Sometimes a gender must be picked... and it will always be wrong to someone. Why does it have to be an issue all the time? Why do we have to assume that every time a person writes anything and they decide that a character is a male then the wri…

I'm going to assume by your naive indifference you are not female, and quite likely are white, because you exhibit the ignorance of someone who's never suffered any type of indignity worse than the label of "dorky programmer". I don't suggest you complain to your non-white, non-male friends about that... #IngrainedPrejudice #DeathByAThousandCuts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel%27s_nose

If the OP had written the poem as "a few boyfriends slept alone..." nobody would have said a thing. If one is acceptable and the other is not... where lies the sexism now?

And not that it really matters since we aren't supposed to be looking at race/gender but yes... white & male. And just to round out the trifecta... from (what probably would have been considered at that time) a working/middle class family to boot. So maybe the worst indignity I've suffered was that when it came time to go to college there wasn't anybody looking to help me. Thankfully my grades were good enough because they don't give many grants and scholarships to middle class white males. But I'm getting over that the best I can. I don't complain about it every chance I get anymore.

But let's not get trapped by this silly notion that only white people are racist and only males are sexist. I've been labeled all sorts of things by all sorts of people. For instance... someone who doesn't even know me recently called me an indifferent, ignorant white man. I'm still standing.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#48

I don't know if the author was trying to express this particular sentiment, but I am concerned by a general theme that I have noticed in articles I have been reading on HN lately. 1. We are in a bubble, because all these 'useless' startups are getting funding when they should not be (debatable on many levels). 2. Too many startups are focusing on areas that are over like 'Social'. 3. Some people just aren't good enou…

"There are no guarantees in life about whether anyone will succeed, but there is also not infinite time to wonder what might have been."

That line was the best part in your writeup.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

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post #42
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Too many startups are focusing on areas that are over like 'Social'. See, I like to think of a startup as any other brick and mortar business. If it manages to leap into a world-wide success, nothing wrong with that - but don't expect it. Have a game plan that focuses on the reality around you. A startup isn't always a Facebook or Instagram (although they were too, at a point). It's okay to build an online business…

>See, I like to think of a startup as any other brick and mortar business. If it manages to leap into a world-wide success, nothing wrong with that - but don't expect it. Have a game plan that focuses on the reality around you. A startup isn't always a Facebook or Instagram (although they were too, at a point). It's okay to build an online business and just make $60-120 k/year - you know, like any other B&M business…

I like the view point. Another way of looking at this is what Startups were always good at. They were always good at "Disruptive Innovation". The regular "Continuos Innovations" is better done by big companies. Most startups today dont start with the idea of creating a business but to disruptively solve a problem. If the goal of the business is to cause Disruptive Innovation then it can be done better without looking at the money on day to day basis. Big Companies being able to acquire these Innovative companies works well for all parties involved.

Re: The "Me, Too" Startup Syndrome

#50
post #43

Aside from all of the other possibly insulting remarks from the post, this particular one caught my eye: "And a few girlfriends slept alone in their beds While visions of exits danced in their boyfriends’ heads" I'm male, but let me tell you that the above statement infuriates me as it perpetuates the stereotype that women are not entrepreneurs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes that my better half would be…

I'm not bothered by much as a female in tech (and believe me, I hear a lot of ignorant, sexist remarks), but this comment really rubbed me the wrong way.
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