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How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by busterarm »

krapp wrote: post #54
hk__2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?

>How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”? You don't understand American culture at all if you can even ask this question sincerely.

Or perhaps they were born in the last twenty or so years.

In America, today, Black culture IS culture and communism isn't viewed critically for the murderously-bad idea that it is.

Most of the immigrants that fled here from communism are either old, boring or dead. Kids today rarely have the benefit of speaking to older folks who fled Cuba, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, the USSR and others.

Instead they're following influencers on Twitch and Youtube who have extremely privileged lives speaking from ignorance about communism with no pushback.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by refurb »

pessimizer wrote: post #13
thriftwy wrote: post #10

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> I suspect You can just read. The most surprising thing about WWII, at least to many Nazis, is that the US and Britain didn't join the Axis. German theories about race were largely drawn from British and American sources. The US fought WWII with a racially segregated military.

A core part of Nazism was Germany's greatness, even beyond others of the same race. They "tolerated" the British "race". So I doubt the claim that German theories about race were drawn from British and American sources unless you're talking about pro-German idealogues.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by iisan7 »

refurb wrote: post #82
pessimizer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suspect You can just read. The most surprising thing about WWII, at least to many Nazis, is that the US and Britain didn't join the Axis. German theories about race were largely drawn from British and American sources. The US fought WWII with a racially segregated military.

A core part of Nazism was Germany's greatness, even beyond others of the same race. They "tolerated" the British "race". So I doubt the claim that German theories about race were drawn from British and American sources unless you're talking about pro-German idealogues.

The ideas of racial hygiene and eugenics certainly drew upon American science of the time, as well as German archaeology and anthropology. Their racial policies carried forward the ideas of American eugenics to its extreme but logical conclusion. To the extent that British were frowned upon, it was because of the presence of genetic contributions from the pre Yamnaya/Caucasian indigenous population. I remember there was a PBS American Experience: Eugenics episode that covered the Nazi party inspiration from American racial science.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by 082349872349872 »

gosub100 wrote: post #30
aebtebeten wrote: post #2

> ... there must be some kind of conspiracy between communists, blacks, poets and French philosophers. If you can connect these dots, then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game) might be for you! (but see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._U... )

so anything is falsifiable if you create a board game using its components? Moon-landing conspirators unite!

Could it be that instead of attempting to falsify anything I had merely been attempting to promote a really fun game? Ancient astronaut theorists say yes!

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by toyg »

pi-e-sigma wrote: post #58
toyg wrote: post #41

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That is more an indication of how fundamentally naive many Nazis were. British rulers always aimed to break up any significantly large European power, it's been their obvious geopolitical imperative from before Elizabethan times. That necessity trumps any vague sympathy or political affinity du jour . They would never have allowed Hitler to take over the whole continent.

It's a bit more complicated than that, though. Because the alternative was to let the Soviets take over the whole continent. And in that 'framework' the UK aligning with the Nazis was actually more natural choice.

At the time the USSR wasn't thought capable to reach France. Maybe if Hitler had attacked Stalin first, the reasoning could have worked; but he went for the Molotov-Ribbentropp instead, which from outside made it look very much like he was on the same page as Joe.

Regardless, Britain would not have supported a cohesive Europe-wide power even to fight the USSR, as proven by the postwar bickering with DeGaulle.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by hk__2 »

krapp wrote: post #54
hk__2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?

>How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”? You don't understand American culture at all if you can even ask this question sincerely.

> You don't understand American culture at all if you can even ask this question sincerely.

Some people on HN always assume that this is a website a US-only audience. No, not all people understand American culture and that’s normal because it’s not universal. I interpreted the comment as a general affirmation, not something specific to a single country. I’m downvoted and almost insulted for asking a question.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by hk__2 »

throwaway8877 wrote: post #31
hk__2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?

I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. Obviously the notion of poets doesn't contain all of them like the ones who write rhymes for children but poetry has since Age of Enlightenment been a tool of political critique if not earlier. The same applies to philosophy. I'm hope that you for sure have heard of Marx. I also hope that you have learned abo…

> I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance.

The US are just one of the 195 countries in the World; don’t assume that everyone on the Internet is 1- living in the US and/or 2- familiar with the US culture as if it were the center of the world.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by throwaway8877 »

hk__2 wrote: post #87
throwaway8877 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. Obviously the notion of poets doesn't contain all of them like the ones who write rhymes for children but poetry has since Age of Enlightenment been a tool of political critique if not earlier. The same applies to philosophy. I'm hope that you for sure have heard of Marx. I also hope that you have learned abo…

> I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. The US are just one of the 195 countries in the World; don’t assume that everyone on the Internet is 1- living in the US and/or 2- familiar with the US culture as if it were the center of the world.

The context here is clearly US - hint: FBI.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by hk__2 »

throwaway8877 wrote: post #88
hk__2 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. The US are just one of the 195 countries in the World; don’t assume that everyone on the Internet is 1- living in the US and/or 2- familiar with the US culture as if it were the center of the world.

The context here is clearly US - hint: FBI.

Clear for you. https://xkcd.com/1053/

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by throwaway8877 »

hk__2 wrote: post #89
throwaway8877 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The context here is clearly US - hint: FBI.

Clear for you. https://xkcd.com/1053/

I'm not from US, but fair enough, just the article is very obviously about US if you cared to read it even superficially.

But now I'm curious from where you are from and how you don't know about civil rights movement of blacks in US. Does the name Martin Luther King tell you anything?

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