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How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by rootusrootus »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

> Nowadays

This makes sense to me, because after all this time if we don't have anything which backs up the conspiracy theories it is sensible to believe that the results of the official investigation are largely accurate.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by froggysnail »

pessimizer wrote: post #11
throwaway8877 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is necessarily no cross-links between all of them, but there is a link. If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive.

"If you can't imagine" is a bad start. If you're imagining people obsessively dreaming about destroying you, and using the naive "blacks" to do it, you're about a millimeter away from joining the fight against "Judeo-Bolshevism."

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by ekianjo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #21
jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

> Nowadays This makes sense to me, because after all this time if we don't have anything which backs up the conspiracy theories it is sensible to believe that the results of the official investigation are largely accurate.

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by woodruffw »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

> Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative and dismiss conspiracy theories as "crazy".

A significant confounding factor here is the encompassing and totalizing nature of modern conspiracy theories: there's a substantial difference in breadth, depth, and assumed priors between a JFK assassination conspiracy (painted against the backdrop of 1960s social and political upheaval) and something like QAnon.

Put another way: American culture is prone to conspiratorial beliefs, but isn't (yet) prone to Big Lies.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by jjackson5324 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #21
jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

> Nowadays This makes sense to me, because after all this time if we don't have anything which backs up the conspiracy theories it is sensible to believe that the results of the official investigation are largely accurate.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations was established to investigate the assassinations of JFK and MLK.

After their investigation, they concluded that the official narrative was most likely wrong and they found a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy.

There were no investigations after that..

> Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.

> The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-repor...

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by mhitza »

hk__2 wrote: post #12
throwaway8877 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is necessarily no cross-links between all of them, but there is a link. If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive.

> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?

Because it was the counter culture, eg Black Panthers, youth communist parties

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by LtWorf »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

Well I'm quite convinced that the crazy conspiracy theories are there to dismiss all of them in block. And of course some conspiracies ARE real.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by gosub100 »

aebtebeten wrote: post #2

> ... there must be some kind of conspiracy between communists, blacks, poets and French philosophers. If you can connect these dots, then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game) might be for you! (but see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._U... )

so anything is falsifiable if you create a board game using its components? Moon-landing conspirators unite!
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