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Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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Diversity, equity and inclusion. In extreme cases, this is affirmative action. Hopefully in most cases it means hiring managers keeping an open mind and checking their biases when comparing candidates of differing genders and cultural backgrounds.

Is this that US thing I heard about where women and minorities of color get hiring priority over white men?

Yes

Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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my two cents (from personal experience): Getting money when you are from low SES is not that stimulating, because the money is inevitably spent on mundane purchases: i.e. buying a new pair of school shoes or school supplies, or beef instead of chicken for a meal that week, or fixing your car. If that money would be able to be spent on anything that the child desired, then I am sure that even a lower-SES would be more…

I think you replied to the wrong post

Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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What makes you think that employers are not looking to replace everyone right now? It would make sense to me if there are 100x replacement queue, presumably desperate to accept lower pay, right now. All the more reasons to make a move if you can.

In my experience, if you have a decent tenure in an organisation where institutional knowledge trumps documentation (a dysfunction, but a common one) then you're not likely to be forced out and replaced with someone cheaper. That institutional knowledge has value. > All the more reasons to make a move if you can. So that you too can be one of the job seekers "desperate to accept lower pay, right now"?

I have seen that work out for some people, but I think that they intentionally contributed to said distinction to the detriment of everyone else. Best to steer clear.

Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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This seems more like a social commentary about job satisfaction for the career at almost 80%, but I suspect the pattern of movement that the “only way to get a significant salary upgrade is to switch jobs” is the secret pressure. There are a LOT of disincentives to moving right now, especially with coast housing stock being at record cost and such low levels. Add to the fact that employers seem to be having a great t…

Even if you can find a sw Eng job, salaries have dropped to ~2019-2020 levels Factor in inflation since then and it’s a huge effective pay drop

My signing RSUs have all vested and were not renewed, and my salary increase hasn’t matched inflation. I’m pretty sure I can end up effectively better paid by moving this year.

Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity, equity and inclusion. In extreme cases, this is affirmative action. Hopefully in most cases it means hiring managers keeping an open mind and checking their biases when comparing candidates of differing genders and cultural backgrounds.

Is this that US thing I heard about where women and minorities of color get hiring priority over white men?

That’s how it gets described sometimes, but it’s about as accurate a description as “US white men prioritize hiring white men over any other demographic unless they are actively discouraged from doing so”.

Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this that US thing I heard about where women and minorities of color get hiring priority over white men?

That’s how it gets described sometimes, but it’s about as accurate a description as “US white men prioritize hiring white men over any other demographic unless they are actively discouraged from doing so”.

One of the things to come out of discovery in the Damore lawsuit was Google's head of HR declaring a moratorium on hiring white males. Technically a Civil Rights Act violation, but more commonly practiced and tolerated on the downlow than one might suppose absent insider information like what came out of discovery in the Damore lawsuit.

Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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I'm just one data point, but after quitting a 12-year position writing RFID related apps, I'm raising chickens and writing. There are no jobs for me; even for positions that totally align with my skills, the employers express no interest. For one thing, they get hundreds of applicants per posting. For another, DEI. One nice thing--my old employer is hiring me back on a consulting basis. Meanwhile, I'm retraining and…

I could see a future where people switch to other white collar jobs like accounting, law, and engineering. Software skills will come in handy here.

> Software skills will come in handy here.

Less than you think. In many of those the corporate issue machines are so locked down and the red tape so bad that just getting to a python hello world is a challenge.

I’ve used coding skills in accounting maybe half a dozen times in a decade.

No doubt there are exceptions but the 5 places I’ve worked for were 0 for 5

Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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my two cents (from personal experience): Getting money when you are from low SES is not that stimulating, because the money is inevitably spent on mundane purchases: i.e. buying a new pair of school shoes or school supplies, or beef instead of chicken for a meal that week, or fixing your car. If that money would be able to be spent on anything that the child desired, then I am sure that even a lower-SES would be more…

I think you replied to the wrong post

you are correct

Re: Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity, equity and inclusion. In extreme cases, this is affirmative action. Hopefully in most cases it means hiring managers keeping an open mind and checking their biases when comparing candidates of differing genders and cultural backgrounds.

Is this that US thing I heard about where women and minorities of color get hiring priority over white men?

No, it's that thing where white guys complain that women and minorities are being hired instead of them even though there is no objective evidence of that.

Companies generally don't use DEI in hiring decisions since this would be a violation of anti discrimination laws (they protect white guys too). DEI only applies to the start of the hiring process to get more female and diversity candidates. Candidates still need the skills and background to make it the rest of the way. So when you hear someone complain about DEI, it's really a complaint that they no longer have the skills to get hired.

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