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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by dnlzro »

boringuser2 wrote: post #666

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The video in the post addresses points 1, 3, and 4 quite well, in my opinion. Did you watch it?

Also, if we granted your fourth point, it would be impossible to establish the first point; you can't say both things at the same time.

Regarding point 2, if the "hot" models are accurate, then climate change is something that will effect us maybe one or two generations from now, if it isn't already (it's a little hard to tell whether we are in a particularly hot period right now and will regress to the mean). Even if you are completely selfish, anti-natalist, and atheist, you should probably still be concerned.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by CalRobert »

vegetablepotpie wrote: post #566

You can do something about this. I got involved in climate advocacy in 2021. Since then I’ve successfully lobbied my local government to start an energy resources study, which will look at ways for my community to quickly transition to renewables. A small thing. But if we all do small things, it will add up! Still though. My state, Arizona has really terrible people writing awful laws. This legislative session they’r…

Arizona is also the unlikely home of culdesac.com, one of the first purpose-built car-free neighborhoods in the US.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by boringuser2 »

dnlzro wrote: post #751
boringuser2 wrote: post #666

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The video in the post addresses points 1, 3, and 4 quite well, in my opinion. Did you watch it? Also, if we granted your fourth point, it would be impossible to establish the first point; you can't say both things at the same time. Regarding point 2, if the "hot" models are accurate, then climate change is something that will effect us maybe one or two generations from now, if it isn't already (it's a little hard to…

Yes, but I'm not going to do your homework for you. I won't address an argument you don't make.

>Also, if we granted your fourth point, it would be impossible to establish the first point; you can't say both things at the same time.

Please elaborate. There isn't a formal fallacy here so I'm assuming you have some esoteric implicit "own".

>Regarding point 2, if the "hot" models are accurate, then climate change is something that will effect us maybe one or two generations from now, if it isn't already (it's a little hard to tell whether we are in a particularly hot period right now and will regress to the mean). Even if you are completely selfish, anti-natalist, and atheist, you should probably still be concerned.

They aren't.

Anyways, again, if you're talking about immediate threats to your physical self, it's obvious that only a very deluded individual would rank "climate change" anywhere reasonable.

The threat model is just laughable. It fails too many conspiracy sniff tests and reeks of the same psychology that enables doomsday cults (vague predictions that constantly fail and are re-made).

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by ianai »

nojvek wrote: post #742
ianai wrote: post #649

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It's finding a way to input the external costs of consumption of emissive products into their final price(s). In reality, a gallon of gas causes significantly more damage than the price paid at the pump - it was like $16/gallon when I saw a figure for it around 2010. Imagine how much differently a world with $20/gallon gas would look. There'd probably be massive pressures from all corners to move away from oil.

I am personally pretty opposed to taxing co2 emissions and playing games with carbon credit. We should not be making energy expensive for the lay person. Provide subsidies to build new solar, wind and nuclear farms - sure. The world will quickly adapt renewable energy if it is much cheaper and convenient to use it. In similar vein, for god sake don’t tax solar panels above usual tax rate. I’m looking at Arizona. The…

I kind of agree. Right now, too, what is happening is what you describe. The other options are getting cheaper and will eventually be the cost effective solution. On the other, taxing societal negatives is exactly how to disincentivize them. But at least have an industry for remediating the effects of emissions.

Also see above where I said to build out nuclear asap and at economically significant rates.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Unfrozen0688 »

MPSimmons wrote: post #515
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #505

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I saw a few seconds of people yelling and turned it off. What is this crap?

Try listening to what they were saying. It's a skit, but with some biting truth.

Maybe I speak for myself, but the reason I visit this site is for longer in-depth topics on everything, not just tech. I'm not a programmer, more IT, so some posts are way over my head.

But this site is a good filter to get good, long articles and videos and in-depth discussion in the comments.

Short meme comedy skits can be left to plenty of sites like 9gag/some subreddits etc. There is a time and a place for that too. But in my opinion, not on HN.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Unfrozen0688 »

MPSimmons wrote: post #610
tsukikage wrote: post #591

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What's the biting truth?

That scientists have been telling policy makers for decades, and by the time they're taken seriously, it's going to be way too late.

And the original blog/video isent saying this?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Unfrozen0688 »

anonym29 wrote: post #490
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #477

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Sweden here, welcome! We need more of your kind of immigrant for sure! Working is number 1, willing to take part, and learning the culture.

Aren't all immigrants like this?

On Thursday, the Expert Group for Studies in Public Economics (ESO) will present a report on the employment level of refugees between 1983 and 2015. Among other things, the study shows that the integration of refugees gradually deteriorated during the period, and that an average refugee represents a cost of SEK 74 000 per year for public finances.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ny-eso-rapport-flyktingin...

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by tticvs »

gonzo41 wrote: post #562
tticvs wrote: post #491

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KSR is a good prose writer but I found The Ministry of the Future to be full of extremely unconvincing scenarios and I don't think you should let it inform your worldview. It's just a story written by someone who does not really know what they're talking about.

The Ministry of the Future. Chapter 1. is super accurate. That will happen in our lifetime. Learn about wetbulb temperatures.

No it is not "super accurate" it's a dramatic fictionalization designed to get you emotionally hooked into the book and convey the author's message.

It's indistinguishable from propaganda.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by cubefox »

Version467 wrote: post #152

There’s a new book from Hannah Ritchie called „Not the end of the world“, that argues for optimism, without denying the reality of the situation. It’s a fantastic book and I highly recommend it.

It almost certainly doesn't take the new evidence into account Hossenfelder is talking about.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #114
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #48

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There's no such thing as "overpopulation" on its own. There's only population relative to resource abuse. A small fraction of the population using resources at the rate that your common local billionaire or environmentally abusive megacorp uses resources will be just as "over". A much larger population appropriately pricing externalities instead of ignoring them will not be "over". The number of people in India is no…

>There's no such thing as "overpopulation" on its own. There's only population relative to resource abuse. This is an unfortunate delusion that is widespread, and exploited by governments and industries that seek to ravage what is left of our environment for profit. If you believe and understand that the earth is a finite place, with finite resources (as all intelligent, rational people do), then you believe and unde…

> we can agree that the "sustainable" population depends on how resources are managed, used and maintained

Good. Now read what I wrote again.

Side note on tone: The posturing ("delusion", "intelligent", "rational") makes you look bad. And it's like a thousand times worse when you're trying to pick a fight with someone by argumentatively agreeing with what they said to attack a straw man. If nobody ever told you that before, I'm sorry that you never got the benefit of that advice, and I hope it helps now that you know.

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