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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Yes, for me it's because of childrens' rights, I don't want my kids to potentially go through what I went through, including the soul crushing compulsory education system. I feel that natural learning is so much superior, if you can encourage and cultivate it. Coercion destroys the fun in learning and it teaches us how to procrastinate very well indeed. Treat people like slaves, and what do you expect? You get poor p…

This sounds to me like you're extrapolating your own experience and generalizing it to the whole population, when in truth you are likely to be an outlier: most kids do fine in school (and always have), and most home schooled people find it harder to contribute meaningfully to society (due to less exposure to socialization opportunities and poorer education).

Yes, and my kids are likely to be like me, outliers, that will end up suffering the same way.

And I heard the reason why teens act out so much can be due to the incredibly stifling environment they are in for their age. I think the rise of over-controlling helicopter parenting is making that even worse?

Throughout history the treatment of children in society has been absolutely appalling. And even in today's times emotional abuse of children is very common. During the COVID lockdown nearly half of children were victims of it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-surprising-see-sad-...

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I used to worry

but living through 30 years of catastrophic predictions not happening has made me question the messenger instead.

Some examples(1):

1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000

2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013

(1) https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca...

Don’t get me wrong. I still think it’s an area of concern. I’m actually a raging environmentalist but I just think we should spend our limited political capital on air pollution, heavy metals, microplastics, and expanding national park access.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

Humanity is quite resilient. I’m confident that we’ll survive. However I’m much more pessimistic about technological civilization surviving.

That's the only silver lining. Finally people stop staring at their phones, and restaurants get rid of this QR-code nonsense.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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It feels orchestrated, just like every recent post on EV's.

Hmm. I think a lot of people who were silent about their positions on this topic are much more inclined to say them out loud now, even on websites like HN. Not that they are right though. As for the reasons why I have (like anyone else) two or three ideas. And whatever it is, it ain't making me feel optimist about what's to come.

Those are my feelings as well.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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What country is going to take the hit and start the high altitude sulfur spraying? If we even could get the forcing back to what it already was in the recent past that would be a great help.

How long would that temporary measure help? What would that do to acidic rain, global dimming, ecology and agriculture. Masking the problem will only make it come back harder when measures don't scale up anymore. Then there'll be no time to do much more.

> How long would that temporary measure help?

As long as you do it.

> What would that do to acidic rain, global dimming, ecology and agriculture.

Well, it's a trade-off. Is sulfur worse than global warming?

> Masking the problem will only make it come back harder

Geo-engineering is not an opportunity to stop phasing out fossils, but a way to get more time for better technology to spread.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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This is an illusion. There is no safe place, you can’t escape the reality of global warming by moving to another place.

I want to move back to a farm/out of the city. For sure for a lot of reasons like having space for a garden etc. but also i think its a lot more easier to survive there longer. Alone the space in my flat limits me of having provisions etc.

Modern farms are highly dependent on global infrastructure for things like fuel and fertilizer and fuel.

If personal resilience is your goal, then you must look into permaculture, no-till and agroforestry.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

You never worried particularly, but enough to move to a different country? That sounds contradictory to me.

That's because it's more just a nice secondary factor. ;)

Mostly I moved because it amused me. I have a long history of going to places I can't actually locate on a map, eg I thought Northwestern University would be in Portland, not Chicago - imagine my shock when I stepped off the plane. Similarly with Finland. I knew so little about the place that when the opportunity to move arose I couldn't not take it, it would be like turning down getting teleported into the inside of a black hole.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

There won't be an extinction event. We already know that warm periods in Earth's history are the most friendly for all kinds of life. And we know that cold periods kill species and reduce biodiversity. In the most catastrophic case Earth will end up as a tropical paradise, resembling the Eocene period [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eocene#Flora

This is naive. It's not the absolute temperature that's the problem, it's the rate of change. Temperature is going to change faster than most species can adapt, and that's why the food chain could collapse in the worst case.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

Sweden here, welcome! We need more of your kind of immigrant for sure! Working is number 1, willing to take part, and learning the culture.

Aren't all immigrants like this?
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