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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by askonomm »

hrududuu wrote: post #571
askonomm wrote: post #519

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Consumer prices are 35% lower in Finland, rent prices are 70% lower in Finland, when comparing to SF.

Consumer prices are not lower in Finland, although VAT is responsible for a lot of the difference, to be fair. Yeah, sales tax in Finland is 24%. I've been in both places in the last year, cried when I bought my used Toyota here. Rent indeed is 70% lower, but you lose by having 70% lower rent and 70% lower salary. Besides, median salaries in Finland are 15% of what they are in SF (staff swe at 500k vs 90k). And the t…

Do you have a source? My stats are from: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou..., but I'm happy to learn of more correct info on this topic.

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Post by mycologos »

127361 wrote: post #54
jdietrich wrote: post #26

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Stop burning stuff. Tell other people to stop burning stuff. Tell your representatives to work on alternatives to burning stuff. Don't invest in companies that burn a lot of stuff. Avoid waterfront property.

Encourage other people (especially if you're in a developing country) not to have too many children. The absolutely unsustainable population levels worldwide are behind the climate and pollution crises. We are an incredibly destructive species to the planet. All countries, developing and developed are part of the problem. Not only that the overcrowding and fighting over limited resources causes psychosocial stress, w…

Birth rates decline pretty proportionally to economic development, arriving at well below replacement levels in highly developed countries. In light of this, it seems misguided to expend energy personally convincing people to have less children, when we could just focus on bringing more people up to the western standard of living that, apparently, organically makes having many kids mostly unappealing.

Less charitably, this is the kind of advice that mostly seems like an excuse to preach at people.

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Post by askonomm »

chasd00 wrote: post #601
askonomm wrote: post #519

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Consumer prices are 35% lower in Finland, rent prices are 70% lower in Finland, when comparing to SF.

> Consumer prices are 35% lower in Finland, rent prices are 70% lower in Finland, when comparing to SF. When comparing to SF, 90% of the planet is that much more affordable. Sheesh there’s more to the world than the plight of San Francisco.

Who I was responding to said they are from SF, hence why I compared data to SF.

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

moffkalast wrote: post #388
slaw wrote: post #340

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Recently I survived covid exponential deaths apocalypse and Al Gore's sea levels rising in 2016.

Covid was no joke, 3 million people died despite the entire world grinding to a halt and hiding in their houses for months. Sea levels are up 10 cm since Gore was VP and it's accelerating.

25 mln of excess death.

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

slaw wrote: post #420
moffkalast wrote: post #388

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Covid was no joke, 3 million people died despite the entire world grinding to a halt and hiding in their houses for months. Sea levels are up 10 cm since Gore was VP and it's accelerating.

61 milion people died in 2023 with and without covid. Al Gore predicted 20ft by 2016 not 10cm.

No matter how you spin this covid brought up 25 mln of excess death. That massive event, which is so foreign to "normies" minds that the majority just ignore the number.

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Post by abenga »

globular-toast wrote: post #232
alexvoda wrote: post #140

@dang Is it just my impression that HN is drifting rigtwards on this topic? I remember HN being more in favour of proactive action against anthropic climate change. This thread feels dominated by attitudes reflecting inaction.

Aging userbase? People get to a certain age, realise they'll probably outlive problems then just start campaigning for whatever will give them the best rest of their life. Seems to kick in quite early now too, like 35.

It feels far more rapid, e.g. try to find all highly upvoted posts about EVs over the last couple of months. It feels (anecdotally) that they have been increasingly more negative recently.

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Post by oceanplexian »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #271
vasco wrote: post #229

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Not wrong the science, but on the doomerism, that was my comment. I have a few friends on this extreme-depression-due-to-climate-change and it's not helpful to their health. Think of it like this, death is unpreventable and we still live our lives. So even if the world collapse was totally unpreventable (I think we can still turn it around), it's still better to go down fighting and living life.

How many of your extremely depressed friends are willing to abandon civilization as we know it and relinquish capitalism, transforming political systems into dictatorships focused solely on achieving net zero emissions by 2035 through drastic measures that could potentially result in millions of deaths (indirectly)? None. Consequently, worrying about this issue is as futile as fretting about snow being white. The cry…

Comments like we need to “relinquish capitalism” cement the fact for me that climate change doomerism is a thinly veiled attempt to push a collectivist economic system, not an honest attempt to actually help the environment.

I’ll stick with the economic system that has reduced global poverty by 80% in the last century, and brought us everything from clean water to smartphones. Not the economic system that resulted in the genocide of millions, the systematic theft from the working class and which continues to oppress people under crushing dictatorships in places like Cuba and Venezuela.

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Post by petemir »

bavell wrote: post #589
petemir wrote: post #548

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And what about the species that do not warm nor thrive in tropical climates? Or those that cannot migrate? Even if some species increase in numbers, it still means that all other species would get lost, reducing biodiversity and effectively meaning an extinction-level event.

> ...all other species would get lost, reducing biodiversity and effectively meaning an extinction-level event. Reducing biodiversity doesn't equate to an extension-level event though. It also doesn't mean all species who didn't thrive would be lost - many would be affected but not existentially so. I'm reminded of George Carlin's joke about the planet being fine long-term, we're the ones who will be screwed.

> Reducing biodiversity doesn't equate to an extension-level event though

From the Encyclopaedia Britannica [0]: __These conspicuous declines in diversity are referred to as mass extinctions__

> It also doesn't mean all species who didn't thrive would be lost - many would be affected but not existentially so.

But this is not a fact, it is a conjecture. On the other hand, we do have declining numbers of a big number of species. Unless the tendency reverts, constant long-term declining numbers will be an existential threat.

> I'm reminded of George Carlin's joke about the planet being fine long-term, we're the ones who will be screwed.

That's true, for sure. But asides from "the planet" and "we", there are also all the others.

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