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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I saw a few seconds of people yelling and turned it off. What is this crap?

Try listening to what they were saying. It's a skit, but with some biting truth.

What's the biting truth?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Why would anyone worry about things they have no control on? People that overestimate the value of their opinions, maybe.

But you have partial control. You can vote for candidates that take climate change seriously. You can decide to buy or lease an EV instead of an ICE one. You can raise the bar for when you book a flight. And so on...

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

If shit hits the fan everywhere else but North Europe remains safe - will it be business as usual there? Won't hundreds of millions of people (or more) from India, China and Africa flee to to wherever is safe?

Slowly. I don’t think it happens all at once but over generations.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Humanity not surviving? That seems completely unlinked to any sort of scientific consensus.

Oh... How many mass extinction events have humanity survived as a species so far? I would also like to see this data... pretty please?

Literally the Ice Age, with cave-man era technology.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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100% of people who mistake correlation for causation end up dead.

All the climate modelling is based on correlation, so I thought that's what we were doing. Is there another approach we should be taking?

Dude no. We know that the gasses we are releasing cause warming and we know the ratio of those gases naturally occurring vs human pollution.

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Let’s also not forget another human activity, also a kind of energy consumption, but in a more direct way, aka eating. Livestock produces around 15% of global greenhouse emissions according to my quick Google search. And I am sure some Finns like to eat meat.

How much greenhouse emissions does wildlife produce?

Good question! Surprisingly, very little:

Livestock make up 62% of the world’s mammal biomass; humans account for 34%; and wild mammals are just 4%.

https://ourworldindata.org/wild-mammals-birds-biomass

And add to that the fact that cow flatulence is very rich in methane (much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2) because of poor diet in industrial agriculture.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Sweden here, welcome! We need more of your kind of immigrant for sure! Working is number 1, willing to take part, and learning the culture.

Aren't all immigrants like this?

No, some make “identity erasure” a culture crime.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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it would make a huge difference. sure, we can't undo the damage that has been done, but things can and will get way, way worse as we carry on without changing anything.

The human species might have a built in self-destruct / self-limiting mechanism, which is world war, possibly nuclear war, which might end up saving the planet in the really long term?

The planet will survive regardless, with or without a nuclear war. We won’t though and most current species will dissapear

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Humanity is quite resilient. I’m confident that we’ll survive. However I’m much more pessimistic about technological civilization surviving.

That's the only silver lining. Finally people stop staring at their phones, and restaurants get rid of this QR-code nonsense.

Honestly curious, why the focus on the QR-code menus? Is that the most important adverse effect of tech?

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> are you not saying that it may be better that 10 poor people are not born, than for rich people to do minor changes to their lifestyle? I definitely would say that and would argue it needs to be way more than 10. If you want to solve manmade climate change you need to solve the demand for goods that cause it. You lower demand by increasing the the supply (can't do that because that increases the emissions you try b…

> The problem with these "minor changes to their lifestyle" is that they need to accommodate exponentially growing population that already is a magnitude or more higher than persons who need to adjust. It was approximately exponential up until around 200ish AD, fell below exponential for a few hundred years, then was above exponential for around 600 years (the growth rate was going up approximately linearly), had a p…

> I was curious what it is called when the growth rate itself is going up exponentially

The derivative of the exponential function is the exponential function.

d/dx eˣ = eˣ

So if it’s growing exponentially the rate of growth is exponential and the rate of that acceleration is also exponential.

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