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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Jedd »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

> Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear

Is this a fission plant that uses fuel mined in Canada, Kazakhstan, and Australia?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by ben_w »

slaw wrote: post #420
moffkalast wrote: post #388

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Covid was no joke, 3 million people died despite the entire world grinding to a halt and hiding in their houses for months. Sea levels are up 10 cm since Gore was VP and it's accelerating.

61 milion people died in 2023 with and without covid. Al Gore predicted 20ft by 2016 not 10cm.

> Al Gore predicted

I see no predictions by him.

What I do see are examples of him selectively quoting other people and that he was in turn selectively quoted himself.

This is also why you shouldn't rely on politicians for anything.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by refurb »

styfle wrote: post #415
refurb wrote: post #365

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Amazing how the ozone hole repaired itself despite China releasing thousands of tons of CFCs. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/23/china-factorie...

The article doesn’t seem to support your claim. “After the ban came into force, global concentrations of CFC-11 declined steadily until about 2012. However, last year scientists discovered the pace of that slowdown slowed by half between 2013 and 2017. Because the chemical is not naturally occurring, the change could only have been produced by new emissions.” “If emissions do not decline, it will delay the recovery o…

CFC-11 is one specific CFC, you need to look at all of them. Overall they’re increasing, yet the ozone layer has continue to “heal”.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Geee »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #145

I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

There won't be an extinction event. We already know that warm periods in Earth's history are the most friendly for all kinds of life. And we know that cold periods kill species and reduce biodiversity. In the most catastrophic case Earth will end up as a tropical paradise, resembling the Eocene period [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eocene#Flora

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by hiAndrewQuinn »

CalRobert wrote: post #425
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

Similar, though leaving the US had a lot to do with hedging our bets against a crumbling democracy as well. How is Finland? It was on our list but we wanted to have good train connections to the continent so ended up in the Netherlands (but above sea level). Oulu has impressive winter cycling though.

I lived in Oulu for a time, and yes it does indeed live up to its winter cycling reputation. Actually most of my wife's family lives around that region, so we'll probably return up there in a few years.

Finland is terrific! Learning the language is tough, and recommended, but ultimately optional for white collar migrants. The lower salaries here are unfortunate - I make a third of what I could make as a software lead in the US (~50k vs ~150k). Doubly so as there really is a lot of top notch engineering talent here, probably because it's so hard to hire people that FTEs end up having to learn a lot about everything lol. I haven't yet carved a path to make US level money while living in Finland - but you'd better believe it's on my list of things to beeline towards once I hit my thirties.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by madaxe_again »

PeterisP wrote: post #412
BodyCulture wrote: post #397

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This is an illusion. There is no safe place, you can’t escape the reality of global warming by moving to another place.

While you may be technically true, it is obviously clear that some places are far safer than others, and moving to another place will have a very high impact on how global warming affects you, as some regions will be affected much more harshly than others. At the extreme, some places may be underwater or otherwise uninhabitable, but if you can afford to, moving away from them in a timely manner, you can escape being…

Second order effects will be the killer. It won’t be the coastal flooding, it will be the dispossessed hordes. It won’t be the uninhabitable areas, it will be the rapid rise in price of food staples. No matter where you are, the chaos will come to your door, when it comes.

Takes surprisingly little to collapse a civilisation when you kick its knees out from under it.

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Post by refurb »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #400
refurb wrote: post #359

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Humanity not surviving? That seems completely unlinked to any sort of scientific consensus.

Oh... How many mass extinction events have humanity survived as a species so far? I would also like to see this data... pretty please?

There is no scientific consensus that global warming will be a mass extinction event that would threaten humanity.

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Post by ProjectArcturis »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

Uh... Finland could be one of the bigger victims of global warming. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4118630-atlant...

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Post by crucialfelix »

pvaldes wrote: post #199
crucialfelix wrote: post #180

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The amount of energy accumulating in the oceans is equivalent to detonating five Hiroshima atomic bombs per second, every second over the past 25 years. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00376-020-9283-7

This does not change what I said. We had past long time ago the question if is happening or not. What I'm discussing is the "how fast" part. The sub-question is if the war or wars if you prefer (You all know what I'm talking about) are causing the current wave of claims "I'm worried now but I was not worried yesterday" I assume that the war is making it faster, but the effect of this particular factor could be tempor…

Certainly explosions and fighter jets result in a lot of GHG emissions. You seem to be suggesting that it might be significant enough to explain recent accelerated warming. That's how your comment reads.

My comment was mean to point out that the scale of warming is far more intense than two conflicts would produce.

I really hope the recent acceleration in warming can be traced to industrial methane emissions that could be stopped.

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