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U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

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How many young men do you know without facial hair, without a tattoo and that have never tried marijuana? The army's eligible pool is very small. If they were really serious they'd relax those requirements.

And young women are kept out by the massive sexual harassment problem they haven't yet acknowledged.

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#192

A bit of sensationalism going on. They still have to pass a standardize test that mostly proves they have an IQ suitable for military service. There are people that could be a great soldier/servicemember that didn’t make it through high school. Some will flourish under a military environment that failed out of high school. I don’t really like people assuming somebody that didn’t graduate high school are somehow infer…

I was constantly failing classes in high school, but I ended up as an engineer at FANG company without breaking a sweat. My cofounder didn’t finish high school and worked as an HFT trader.

People here who are judging people based on their high school accomplishments must be coming from a sheltered middle class background.

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On June 1, 2022, the Marines tweeted out a helmet with rainbow bullet tips for Pride Month: https://globalnews.ca/news/8888090/marines-rainbow-bullets-p... is one such link, you can find others. The US Army 2021 video, "Emma, The Calling," is exactly what I described: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8-Yslv4PME And the "Army sees sharp decline in white recruits." https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/10/army-se…

>There are families in which four generations have served, with the current generation of fathers telling their kids, "You shouldn't go serve there, because of your skin color. Because my friends still in there are seeing people promoted or not based not on their skills and proven character, but on their skin color."

what about this?

Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#194

A bit of sensationalism going on. They still have to pass a standardize test that mostly proves they have an IQ suitable for military service. There are people that could be a great soldier/servicemember that didn’t make it through high school. Some will flourish under a military environment that failed out of high school. I don’t really like people assuming somebody that didn’t graduate high school are somehow infer…

'Some', 'could', 'mostly', not too strong arguments for the abolishment of generic rules applied on all.

'Some' 'could' see that the ability of jumping the requirements of education is 'mostly' coincides with a certain level of mental abilities.

'Some' smart people do not participate in organized education and 'some' graduates regardless of modest abilities, but those are never arguments for the generic population and generic rules. Probably those passing a good(!) admission test 'could' understand that still...

Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#195

A bit of sensationalism going on. They still have to pass a standardize test that mostly proves they have an IQ suitable for military service. There are people that could be a great soldier/servicemember that didn’t make it through high school. Some will flourish under a military environment that failed out of high school. I don’t really like people assuming somebody that didn’t graduate high school are somehow infer…

The problem is that a high school education represents literally years of knowledge a person has accumulated. People not having that knowledge means they will not be able to participate. It's not about whether they will be smart enough to learn; it's about the fact that they will have to be taught. There's no foundation to build on, there's no axiomatic knowledge we can rely on. People who haven't graduated high scho…

> Deny that might feel good, but society didn't mandate 10 years of public education for shits and giggles.

k12 was created by industrialists who wanted obedient workers and well behaved citizens who won’t cause crime and instability in the ruling class’ assets.

School prepares workers, not the actual people changing the world.

Most high school grads will know more about how the mitochondria is the power of the cell, more so than know about taxes and personal finance. That’s by design.

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#196

I am a well educated individual. I did not have to work very hard at all for a well paying job after college from a respected company. I have skill sets that are absolutely in demand, particularly in areas the military would like. When China re-colonized Hong Kong I gave strong thought to joining the military. When Russia invaded Ukraine, I similarly felt called to join the military, if not to fight for Ukraine, to p…

I wonder if 20th century Britain and America were up to your political standards when they fought in WW2. Back when the British king was Emperor of India and America had just finished retreating from occupying South American countries because they lost money for the United Fruit Company. I think Nancy Pelosi was still trading stocks in Congress when the Kosovo genocide was ended by NATO.

When the US attacked Cuba for foreign encroachment and supported Israel in its revanchist genocides, what Rule of Law were they following when it supported Ukraine against Russia doing the same thing? Seems pretty blatantly hypocritical to me.

That was one of many historical opportunities for professionals to see the US' many contradictions and domestic problems and abandon the US military. By these political standards, professionals should have abandoned US military capability back in 2014 when the latest outrageous hypocrisy was laid bare so it wouldn't have the power to be used as a tool for evil in 2022 and beyond.

Well, chop chop, America, better solve this quickly.

I guess I don't really doubt that you have good or patriotic intentions, I've seen comments like this often enough that I think it's some kind of Ralph Nader-esque "if you want to effect change, attack your friends not your enemies" strategy which doesn't strike me as particularly effective when there's any real stakes involved.

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#197
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Back in the day my country still had obligatory military service for the oldest male child of the family. Everyone had to do this. IQ tests were used to sort people coming in. The military does not only need highly functioning autonomous operators. There were many more menial positions in cleaning, catering, hauling and warm body canon fodder than there were scouts or special forces. I guess these days many of those…

> warm body canon fodder Man, your Army Band really takes their Bach to the extreme.

It was a reference to the Star Wars canon, not Bach. Sadly his army failed to defend it from the Mouseketeers.

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A bit of sensationalism going on. They still have to pass a standardize test that mostly proves they have an IQ suitable for military service. There are people that could be a great soldier/servicemember that didn’t make it through high school. Some will flourish under a military environment that failed out of high school. I don’t really like people assuming somebody that didn’t graduate high school are somehow infer…

Back in the day my country still had obligatory military service for the oldest male child of the family. Everyone had to do this. IQ tests were used to sort people coming in. The military does not only need highly functioning autonomous operators. There were many more menial positions in cleaning, catering, hauling and warm body canon fodder than there were scouts or special forces. I guess these days many of those…

Read abt McNamara’s Morons, referenced elsewhere in the thread. Below a certain threshold of low IQ, humans are fundamentally unfit to handle dangerous weapons, and lack basic awareness and understanding to perform even menial roles.

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That standardised test administered by the US military has some history. The idea was that folks who were below an 85IQ would be harder to train. During the Vietnam war they tried abandoning the requirement and the results were sad. It cost the military a lot more in remedial training, but the real tragedy is that these folks died at 3 times the rate of people who would have passed the test. They weren’t cut out to b…

It would be really fascinating to see a graph of IQ vs chance of being killed in a war (normalised for people in the same role); would it continuously be increasing, or would there be diminishing or even negative returns to IQ beyond a certain point?

There have been studies done: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000

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Neutrality is support for might makes right. Choosing to be neutral is to say that the strongest party should win. Not being prepared to be violent makes you harmless. Having the capacity for violence and choosing not to use it makes you peaceful. If you speak softly, but don't carry a big stick, then you are just speaking softly. Might might not make right, but it determines who gets to make the rules.

US foreign policy for the second half of the 20th century was basically: "Communism is real bad and causing millions of people to suffer and die, so let's go start a war that will cause millions of people to suffer and die. Except now a lot of those people get to be our people! Hurray!" Left alone, communism eventually fails in almost every case. China being the main exception but that's because we pump a half a tril…

Cold war was detente, and they were strangely fighting the fear of nuclear armament from these communists too.
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