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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by pk-protect-ai »

vasco wrote: post #229
CalRobert wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but are they wrong?

Not wrong the science, but on the doomerism, that was my comment. I have a few friends on this extreme-depression-due-to-climate-change and it's not helpful to their health. Think of it like this, death is unpreventable and we still live our lives. So even if the world collapse was totally unpreventable (I think we can still turn it around), it's still better to go down fighting and living life.

How many of your extremely depressed friends are willing to abandon civilization as we know it and relinquish capitalism, transforming political systems into dictatorships focused solely on achieving net zero emissions by 2035 through drastic measures that could potentially result in millions of deaths (indirectly)? None. Consequently, worrying about this issue is as futile as fretting about snow being white. The crypto miners will continue mining, the gas and oil industries will prosper, and the wealthy will ponder the feasibility of establishing bunkers and retreats in New Zealand (which would not offer protection). Our selfishness extends to the point of sheer stupidity; each of us thinks, "What can I do? Nothing," and only a handful among us will take action that doesn't contribute to solving the problem at all. I suppose this is what the great filter looks like.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by ChatGTP »

sanroot99 wrote: post #206
127361 wrote: post #45

It's taboo to say this, but people worldwide have had far too many children, and I believe that overpopulation is the root of the sustainability crisis, including climate change and pollution. And that taboo is probably rooted in evolutionary psychology, people have a genetically driven tendency to criticize those who advocate having less children? So could there be an instinctual drive behind it? https://www.flashpa…

I think not having egalitarian destribution of resources is real problem rather then overpopulation. Becoz as we see very few have most carbon footprint.

Everybody is gaining access to lower carbon tech, renewables, heat pumps, electric cars etc at the same rate. It doesn’t matter about rich people.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by quickthrower2 »

jhoechtl wrote: post #249
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #145

I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

I am glad that I survived oil outage, sour rain, the Ozone hole, mass famine because of overpopulation. All in a lifetime. I must have had sheer luck.

A bear is chasing you. “Glad I survived crossing a dangerous road, smoking a cigarette and unprotected sex”

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by lynx23 »

I was always pro-environment and pro-more-industry-regulations, since I can think. Then came Greta and the doomsayers. Realising there is really nothing more I can do--I am already walking to work and don't even own a car--I stopped supporting apocalypse-loving-movements and went back to living my life as I used to do.

I was developed an aversion for the climate apocalypse movement since. I wonder, if they managed to alienate people without a car and very low CO2 footprint, what demographic is actually left to cater to?

BTW, this phenomenon is very old. Thausands of years ago, religious nuts already announced the end of the world. Soem religious movements like the 7th day adventists even were born out of a failed waiting for the end. That was, IIRC, in the 19th century, at a time when people didn't even know what polution will be.

We have a built-in tendency to predict our own downfall. A sort of built-in mental illness that needs to be worked against.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by _y5hn »

oezi wrote: post #247
PeterisP wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not going to be sufficient to prevent climate change (well, nothing we'll realistically do now will be sufficient to do that - it's too late, just as scientists were warning us decades ago), so probably the question is less about reducing climate change but rather how to mitigate the consequences of climate change to you personally and your community - "avoid waterfront property" is one step there, but probabl…

Why are you saying this. We just need to get to netzero. This is going to cost some money but it won't break the bank. Estimates go up to 2x global GDP.

Even if we had net zero emissions of GHG today, which we can't, we would also need to remove much of what we already emitted. Otherwise effects of GHG concentrations will still warm the planet for centuries, maybe even thousands- to millions of years with feedback loop effects.

Going zero emission today would mean most people would starve and not have proper transportation. But without a job, they maybe wouldn't have need for that..

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by mike_hearn »

dagss wrote: post #112
mike_hearn wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't really make sense when talking about physical constants. But if someone told you that things always fall at that speed everywhere, including on space stations and on the moon, you might suspect something had gone wrong. The point dingnut makes is that science has to be falsifiable. That means you have to be able to articulate what set of observations would lead you to abandoning your theory. If someone sho…

1) No, no local or short-term weather is ever going to falsify or prove anything about the global average . 2) Assuming you are already convinced by the science that the global average temperature is quickly rising; one might ask: What are the consequences? And one of the consequences is more extreme weather, as there is more energy in the weather systems.. 3) So one may point to extreme weather events and say "in th…

Dingnuts' complaint is about (1). Your statement is true, but it's not treated as true by the media nor increasingly by governments, who are comfortable making claims of the form "this weather today is proving that the climate is changing (for the worse)".

It's a valid complaint. It's one about the practice of the philosophy of science though, not something that can be refuted with claims about temperature or CO2.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by lynx23 »

CalRobert wrote: post #208
vasco wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think extreme doomers like this create a shitty world to live in where you're surrounded by people that adopted an extreme "nothing matters the world is doomed soon" perspective that is depressing.

Ok, but are they wrong?

Yes, they always were. Predicting the end of the wrld is a very old game. Long before the industrial revolution, when people didnt even know about poluton, they already predicted the downfall of everything. It is a mental illness that creeps up on some of us. These people need help.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by beirut_bootleg »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #225
sgt101 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my observations the current rightwing meme is that women in rich countries haven't had sufficient numbers of children and measures to drive increased population should be put in place. This is congruent with removing women's bodily autonomy, banning abortion and banning or restricting birth control of all types.

> From my observations the current rightwing meme is that women in rich countries haven't had sufficient numbers of children and measures to drive increased population should be put in place. When you get to the far right wing, it's not just about "are there sufficient numbers of children?" but "Is my favoured population subgroup having sufficient numbers of children?" i.e. racism

Now we're getting somewhere. The taboo is when you start accounting for christofascist families churning out children like it's a Factorio assembly line so that there are always more of "us" then there are of "them".

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by jokoon »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #6

Okay, but what now?

Annoy people about:

* eating less beef

* not flying

* using a bicycle/train. not possible everywhere for americans, anyway, but possible for most europeans. minimum is car sharing and using a light car.

* less house heating, more insulation

If they disagree, don't worry, but make sure they know. It's expected some people are going to use violence to reduce CO2 emissions, especially for the ones that can be avoided easily.

Anyways, western rich countries will not be the ones who are hit the hardest.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by sschueller »

Some stupid hacker just deleted over 2 Peta Bytes of Russian climate research data dating back decades. Data that was collected from satellites around the world for decades for processing. This affects us all if we don't have data.

We are rapidly going back to the stone age...

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