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iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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The Apple apologia anti regulation response to this comment is ironic because without anti monopoly protections Apple wouldn’t even exist right now. Microsoft bailed out Apple with an investment entirely because of anti monopoly regulations. More importantly, MS kept producing versions of Office and even Internet Explorer IIRC that allowed the Mac to remain an option because of their fear of being regulation. Then af…

Imagine if MS had done the shit Apple is doing and blocked iTunes from Windows because it didn’t “add enough new functionality”. And then when it eventually did allow a gimped version of iTunes charged Apple 30% of all the music and movies sold on it. If they were being Apple like they would probably have even started charging 20% of the album price of every music CD users ripped to their iPods using iTunes. And MS w…

what monopoly does apple have?

not for smartphones: https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartph...

not for macs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_compu...

not for operating systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

not for web browsers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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And Zoom installed a secret backdoor web server on the Mac…

Welp, company did stupid thing, time to let the OS company have 100% control and profit over the entire computer. A bit of an outsized response, no? To be clear, I disagree with Zoom's rationale (avoiding a single confirmation click when the zoom website launches zoom), and I agree with Apple automatically disabling that server for it's customers. That doesn't mean I think we should throw the baby out with the bathwa…

No, it isn’t. It’s been proven over three decades of computing that companies - even reputable ones - will do all sorts of crap to your computer.

I’m very careful what I install on my computers. I will install any random crap on iOS devices that I would never install on my computer because they are sandboxed.

Not purposefully, but there was a version of Chrome where the installer would leave your Mac inoperable if you had System Integrity Protection turned off.

https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/15235262/chrome-upd...

Both Google and Facebook encouraged iOS users to install developer certificates that were meant for internal employees so they could track them.

Epic, the biggest whiner about App Store policies, caused a huge security vulnerability when Android users side loaded Fortnite

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/just-as-critics-feared-fort...

Not to mention the old school rootkits that Sony installed back in the day

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_roo...

It should be hard and require users to jump through hoops to allow apps to break out of sandboxes

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Imagine if MS had done the shit Apple is doing and blocked iTunes from Windows because it didn’t “add enough new functionality”. And then when it eventually did allow a gimped version of iTunes charged Apple 30% of all the music and movies sold on it. If they were being Apple like they would probably have even started charging 20% of the album price of every music CD users ripped to their iPods using iTunes. And MS w…

what monopoly does apple have? not for smartphones: https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartph... not for macs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_compu... not for operating systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... not for web browsers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

It has monopoly power over iOS-compatible apps.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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As much as I love F-Droid, I'll put it firmly into the developer community as well.

We all know that sideloading is a well-established method used by millions of people to gain access to software that is not available on the dominant stores. I didn't think branding them as developers would change anything.

Do we? Which common app is exclusively distributed though a standalone install and used by millions? I can't think of a single example which would validate that.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Why did you buy the device in the first place if it doesn't do what you want? And why do you think you are entitled to force its satisfied users to your ways? Just sell it, make a different choice and let us be happy with what we got.

This assumes there is one and only one reason to buy an iOS device, and it's because the platform is locked down. But that's not true is it? Is that the one and only reason you like iOS?

No, but it's one of them, and imho a very important one. You recommended I don't use the apps - I recommend you don't use the device. It's not like it's not possible to live without iPhone in Europe.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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post #167

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We all know that sideloading is a well-established method used by millions of people to gain access to software that is not available on the dominant stores. I didn't think branding them as developers would change anything.

Do we? Which common app is exclusively distributed though a standalone install and used by millions? I can't think of a single example which would validate that.

Porn apps, gambling apps.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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I really think this is insanely poor strategy on Apple's part. They know damn well that they're simply delaying the inevitable, and probably in deluded hopes that this can get watered down significantly with enough effort, but I don't think the public or the government regulators are going to be amused by these stunts in the slightest. They manage to get away with a lot by virtue of having probably the best PR in the…

> For me, it's quite unusual seeing even the most popular comments on sites like MacRumors absolutely trashing and condemning Apple MacRumors comments section is always filled with people bashing Apple.

I often wonder why they are there.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Suddenly it makes a lot more sense why Apple made a big deal about iPadOS being its own separate OS, even though the differences are so minimal.

I say this as a huge Apple fan: the iPad strategy is ridiculously frustrating (for my purposes). The crux of the issue is that the latest Pros have one of the most awesome and powerful processors on the market for traditional computing purposes, but all that power is locked behind a toy OS that you can’t do much with. There are few meaningful differences in the underlying hardware between this and a MacBook Air, but…

>Just let us run MacOS on these things.

I hope they never do that. The UI on Windows has been too compromised by the need to support both tablets and traditional users.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Do we? Which common app is exclusively distributed though a standalone install and used by millions? I can't think of a single example which would validate that.

Porn apps, gambling apps.

Isn't that part of the "stuff banned from the store or developer tools" which I said before though? Specifically the banned stuff.

Nobody which has a real choice seems to distribute this way despite lots of potential gains avoiding the Google tax.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Apple's really been acting in bad faith with moves like this and the 27% fee on external payments. Regulators took these actions for a reason, and Apple's doing its best to just barely comply, at the cost of bringing even more attention to itself.

Expect Applet to get fined by EU 15B usd this year. Google tested EU years ago and fined 7B and 8B in 2 years.
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