ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

Post by austin-cheney » Sat, Jan 27, 2024, 4:54 AM UTC

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The problem is tribalism. The primary goal is exclusive dominion, but a distant secondary goal of political and militaristic domination will suffice in the meantime. These aren’t my thoughts or conclusions but the stated goals of several of Israel’s most senior politicians, saying something to the effect of removing the inhabitants so that they can make the desert blossom. The problems here can be solved peacefully a…

Your solution is to make Jews a minority in their own country? The entire reason Israel was created is to have a safe place for Jews to exist and having the power to defend themselves. Imagining that just “tearing down the walls”, and “why can’t we all just gel along” will work is pretty naive, especially considering history .

Post by irishloop » Sat, Jan 27, 2024, 4:59 AM UTC

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Or they’re just trying to gain brownie points from the people who support Hamas.

Is there anyone who supports Hamas? I think most people just want Palestinians to live free.

Post by HDThoreaun » Sat, Jan 27, 2024, 5:22 AM UTC

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> would you want October 7th to happen to your family and friends? Obviously not. I just believe you are going about it the entirely wrong way if you want to prevent it. How many Oct 7’s do you think this one-sided conflict will spawn?

What is your proposed alternative that you're alluding to? That seems oddly missing in your comment.

Post by bawolff » Sat, Jan 27, 2024, 5:32 AM UTC

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In theory i think they are supposed to ask the security council to step in if the order is ignored. Which would be unlikely to do anything, so nothing. I think its likely israel will comply. The order is pretty weak and mostly stuff israel already claims to be doing. It wouldn't be worth the PR hassle to ignore it.

> I think its likely israel will comply. Comply with "Don't genocide"? At best, they'll argue semantics while they keep doing what they've always done. Nevermind. I read the article: > Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the fact that the court was willing to discuss the genocide charges was a “mark of shame that will not be erased for generations.” He vowed to press ahead with the war.

Post by nwsm » Sat, Jan 27, 2024, 5:38 AM UTC

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ICJ didn't reach any conclusions or positions except that IDF needs to be careful. No call for a ceasefire. I'm curious what people in Tel Aviv see in media. In America, it's wall-to-wall "police say"-like IDF clips and Bill Maher condemnation, dehumanization, and equivocating Palestine supporters with Hamas terrorists. The talking heads cheerfully greet Netanyahu.

I have found the exact opposite. NPR, for example, spends a lot of time humanizing Gazans and showing that Israel is terrorizing them, quite literally. NPR also frequently talked about the right wing/nationalist power seizures leading up to this. Before the war, I think a good number of Americans saw Israel blowing up the Associated Press offices. It hardly matters what the excuse was. I feel like every week I've hea…