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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Does Hamas have to adhere to an ICJ ordered ceasefire?

Hamas/Al-Qassam Brigades outright said today that they would willingly comply with a ceasefire order.

They (Hamas) broke the first temporary cease fire several times. I highly doubt their sincerity.

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Hi All, I am a combat soldier and commander in the IDF currently fighting in Gaza. We are not committing any genocide. The give away for Genocide is that there are mass graves, which in Gaza there are not. Yes there is collateral damage because Hamas uses civilians as human shields, so we have no choice but to kill them too, but we do not specifically target them. We risk ourselves and our soldiers to ensure that the…

> would you want October 7th to happen to your family and friends?

Obviously not. I just believe you are going about it the entirely wrong way if you want to prevent it.

How many Oct 7’s do you think this one-sided conflict will spawn?

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I would argue there has been massive condemnation of Russia by much of the west. The west is lobbing missiles at Russia. It's giving missiles to Israel to lob at Gaza.

do you have a good military strategy for neutralizing hamas?

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Or they’re just trying to gain brownie points from the people who support Hamas.

Is there anyone who supports Hamas? I think most people just want Palestinians to live free.

I keep hearing that they exist, but I've yet to encounter anyone that is pro Hamas

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Hi All, I am a combat soldier and commander in the IDF currently fighting in Gaza. We are not committing any genocide. The give away for Genocide is that there are mass graves, which in Gaza there are not. Yes there is collateral damage because Hamas uses civilians as human shields, so we have no choice but to kill them too, but we do not specifically target them. We risk ourselves and our soldiers to ensure that the…

> but we need to get as many of the hostages back as possible

And how many hostages has the war gotten back so far?

> we cannot allow Hamas to continue ruling Gaza

There is no realistic plan for ending Hamas. The more Hamas fighters you kill the more Gazans join. You can take temporary control of the government, but Isarelis in Gaza and anyone who works with them will be targeted by terrorists until the end of time. Eventually israel will get sick of the attacks and pull out, and Hamas will immediately regain control of the government.

The obvious end game here is a return to the pre october 7th status quo with increased border security to ensure oct. 7th doesnt happen again. When will we admit that the hostages can not be saved and move to that end game?

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I usually refrain from making much political commentary. I will say this: SA is a deeply troubled country, but for once I think the ruling government has actually done a good thing by pursuing this.

Have you read through their case? It's pretty weak in my opinion. They seem to think that any war with a high number of casualties and insufficient humanitarian aid counts as genocide. By their standard the US committed "genocide" against Japan in WW2, arguably Germany too.

That isn't my reading of the case

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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In theory i think they are supposed to ask the security council to step in if the order is ignored. Which would be unlikely to do anything, so nothing. I think its likely israel will comply. The order is pretty weak and mostly stuff israel already claims to be doing. It wouldn't be worth the PR hassle to ignore it.

> I think its likely israel will comply. Comply with "Don't genocide"? At best, they'll argue semantics while they keep doing what they've always done. Nevermind. I read the article: > Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the fact that the court was willing to discuss the genocide charges was a “mark of shame that will not be erased for generations.” He vowed to press ahead with the war.

A mark of shame for whom is left to the reader to interpret.

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Israel must face the reality that is an apartheid state that exists on occupied land. There is no solution until that happens. Just like apartheid South Africa was dismantled, Israel has to face the same fate or forever be locked into warfare and oppressing Palestinians.

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Actually, if you believe that the bible is true, they killed the indigenous people there first

More historically certain is that there was a stream of people living and moving through that area during waves of human immigration outside of Africa (look up the Sahara pump theory).

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Something tells me that Israel will just ignore them.

Hard for them not to when there were missiles fired at them the day of this ruling. It would be difficult for them to not pursuit the removal of Hamas. Although, I agree that they have been heavy-handed in their operations.
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