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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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In the case of tesla they have a big bundle of cash sitting somewhere that they can't recognize until they ship full self driving/fsd, and they are probably never going to ship that imho

Could you describe what does it mean "can't recognize"? Where I live you can use deposits as you like...

Somehow due to accounting rules in the US, companies can take payment for software before it is done, and they can't count it as revenue somehow. So it sits there waiting for the feature to be done. I've seen it at big software companies in the us and at tesla (which is kind of a software company too). Found this random person on reddit who discusses it. Who knows if it is accurate but it matches what I've read elsewhere. https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/10qpasz/tesla_co...

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Taking on the persona of a boring consumer, who has had to go into the dealer to get several updates with their unconnected car, and sometimes charged for it ($200 to $700), I don't see this as bad, if it's done well.

Orrrr perhaps they could just make their software update files publicly available on their website, so I can download it to a flash drive and stick it in the car myself? That's what the dealer is being paid $200-$700 to do, after all.

That makes it much harder to collect all sorts of useful statistics about the cars use, which is profitable, which is why all the manufacturers will eventually go with OTA.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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This truck is going to be a complete disaster in every conceivable way for Tesla. You've got a TAM on that thing of like.... maybe a few million people on earth? And even then, it's just going to be a silly short-lived fad for the ones who do. They more or less did the same idiotic thing as Ford with the Lighting. Tease a "$35k" starting MSRP for all the publicity, convince themselves they had a hit, and overcommit o…

If I worked 3 jobs as a software developer I'd probably be fired for "moonlighting" from all 3 of them. Elon's attention is ridiculously split between Tesla, SpaceX, and Twitter/X (oh and maybe X.ai, whatever that is). If I was a Tesla shareholder I'd be pissed. But then again, this truck seems like it might have been Elon's pet project - so maybe it's better that he's less involved in Tesla? Who the hell knows. A lo…

Also Neuralink and Boring.

Tesla shareholders don't have much room to be mad about this, though. His attention's been split for a very long time, so either this was something that you knew would be the case when you bought Tesla stock, or you've made a vast amount of money off Tesla despite it.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Tesla has done a fantastic job of updating the software, adding useful features. They still do (some basic) updates of the cars of 10 years ago. They managed to keep the UI fairly fast and responsive on old hardware, even as they have update the hardware for the console cpu etc many times. This is in contract to VW and many other legacy auto companies, that have struggled with software. I have worried about an upgrad…

> an upgrade ... bricking the car That this is even plausible should be cause for concern.

Modern software for cars is like that for phones. You are not in control of it, you can't roll back, you can't usually pick a particular software version to install. In a decently designed modern car, you have a drivetrain computer system separate from the infotainment (the big console with a map in a tesla, for instance). This is frustrating for me as a software engineer. You have to trust the software maintenance and we all know software can go bad.

In cars the general rule is legacy auto companies are terrible, although there are some companies doing okay.

Tesla has done a great job, with apparent good boundaries between the UI/infotainment and drivetrain. You can reboot the screens while driving even (which is worrying but they seem to be well divided). They pay people for security attacks on the cars. Tesla has faster update paths for the main UI, and seem to update the drivetrain less frequently, but they do add and remove some features over time. They have "recalls" that are just software updates. A few other companies have done a good job designing and executing on frequent software updates, Rivian is one that has done a good job. Notably though, Rivian did push a bad update this year that messed up people's cars, had to install a new update a few days later. Before that I would say rivian was equal to tesla in quality. Other than they they are but that is a big difference.

VW is kind of in the middle. Wants to have good software and updates, but it has been a very painful sequence. They had updates that took too long, they were afraid they'd run out the 12v battery during big updates, possibly bricking a car, so you had to bring them to the dealer. Lately I think I read they had a successful over the air update. Oh yeah, tesla and rivian do all their updates over the air. Park you car for an hour, pick "go". Don't do this on a trip ;0)

Then all other legacy cars are terrible. Maybe the worst ever is the GM Lyriq which had a stop sale order it was so bad. Basically unusually, reboot the ui frequently and it keeps getting stuck on people. Hardly believable that they had those problems, apparently no related to a software update bug.

There's android auto and apple carplay. A lot of people like them, I think they are very decent. Legacy auto has almost given up on writing their own UIs, they are mostly bad, but some companies are coming back and trying to stop using them so they can control the experince, and maybe charge people for new features eventually. Tesla and Rivian never charged for their main software. Tesla continues to sell FSD for outrageous prices and it is not done, drives like a scared and maybe drunk beginning teenage driver.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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> Old man shouting at clouds? Reasonable person reacting to insanity? I believe there's a small but growing market for "dumb" tech. Unfortunately there aren't really many options for cars that I'm aware of. I suspect a quality-but-stupid display company is incubating somewhere, just waiting to nail manufacturing.

> I believe there's a small but growing market for "dumb" tech. Unfortunately there aren't really many options for cars that I'm aware of. I suspect a quality-but-stupid display company is incubating somewhere, just waiting to nail manufacturing. I'm pessimistic. The product would be too niche. The problem is twofold: 1. Experts who have the users best interests at heart have bee disempowerd by business-culture and t…

There might be a market for ripping that crap out, though.

The car has to continue working without ambient data, because it won't always have ambient data. So just metaphorically (or literally) rip out all its antennae.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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It's telling that the hardware team could create a whole locking diff faster than programmers can type into a computer.

I think all the units so far are 3 motor (2 motors in rear) and therefore the rear differential lock is probably (planned to be) implemented by software that keeps the two motors in sync instead of with a physical mechanism.

The rear would be a virtual or simulated diff then? Do we know this to be the case or can the driver only lock the mechanical real diff? I can "lock" the center diff in my car but there are two still two other diffs. Do they mean lock in the absolute sense as in a 4x4 or fake lock as in my AWD?

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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post #69

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Tesla has done a fantastic job of updating the software, adding useful features. They still do (some basic) updates of the cars of 10 years ago. They managed to keep the UI fairly fast and responsive on old hardware, even as they have update the hardware for the console cpu etc many times. This is in contract to VW and many other legacy auto companies, that have struggled with software. I have worried about an upgrad…

> Tesla has done a fantastic job of updating the software, adding useful features. They still do (some basic) updates of the cars of 10 years ago. They managed to keep the UI fairly fast and responsive on old hardware, even as they have update the hardware for the console cpu etc many times. This is in contract to VW and many other legacy auto companies, that have struggled with software. I don't know about VW, but m…

> test the hell out of it before release

Paradoxically, being able to fix mistakes later has had an adverse effect on software quality.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Could you describe what does it mean "can't recognize"? Where I live you can use deposits as you like...

Somehow due to accounting rules in the US, companies can take payment for software before it is done, and they can't count it as revenue somehow. So it sits there waiting for the feature to be done. I've seen it at big software companies in the us and at tesla (which is kind of a software company too). Found this random person on reddit who discusses it. Who knows if it is accurate but it matches what I've read elsew…

Seems like the same thing, basically. So this means they can use the money but don't have to tax it yet.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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I do not want my car reporting on me I do not need "over the air" updates Sell me the car. I will drive it away and make my own arrangements for maintenance. I want an asset, not a subscription Old man shouting at clouds?

Just wait until self driving is mastered and you not only have to subscribe to the car but additionally your attention is freed up for other things like ads being projected from every interior surface. :) What a wonderful future!

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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This isnt an issue. The target demographic for a cybertruck will never need locking diff's and will cry glory from the heavens once theyre permitted to own them. The vehicle is a pavement princess designed to help its owner cosplay a working mans aesthetic. The cybertruck is to transportation as the cheesegrater Mac is to the programmer.

In what way would the Cybertruck need to change in order to become a proper offroad vehicle?

Be 2000+lbs lighter? That puts it in the same class as a 4runner, which is already heavy for an offroader. The crosstrek that climbed the hill the cybertruck couldn't is about 1/2 the weight.
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