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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by bryanlarsen »

ramesh31 wrote: post #49
tomcam wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t an answer or even a disagreement. But don’t they have the #1 best selling car in the world?

>But don’t they have the #1 best selling car in the world? No. Fifth in the US: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars... And barely top ten globally: https://medium.com/@wiack/what-is-the-most-sold-car-in-the-w...

Model Y was 1.2 million in 2023. So by your second link, that would have put it in 2nd place in 2022 behind the Corolla's 1.5M.

But it looks like Corolla sales were down significantly in 2023.

https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by p1mrx »

nimbius wrote: post #58

This isnt an issue. The target demographic for a cybertruck will never need locking diff's and will cry glory from the heavens once theyre permitted to own them. The vehicle is a pavement princess designed to help its owner cosplay a working mans aesthetic. The cybertruck is to transportation as the cheesegrater Mac is to the programmer.

In what way would the Cybertruck need to change in order to become a proper offroad vehicle?

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by tzs »

ramesh31 wrote: post #49
tomcam wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t an answer or even a disagreement. But don’t they have the #1 best selling car in the world?

>But don’t they have the #1 best selling car in the world? No. Fifth in the US: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars... And barely top ten globally: https://medium.com/@wiack/what-is-the-most-sold-car-in-the-w...

Your second link is for the 2022 model year. Model Y sales picked up quite a bit in 2023 [1].

[1] https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/28/tesla-model-y-going-to-...

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by Tempest1981 »

btown wrote: post #37
JohnFen wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, literally nobody is doing it well.

In a way this is a blessing in disguise, because the moment a large car company thinks they can do software well, they'll want that team to be a profit center not a cost center, which means they'll start charging for subscriptions. There's an argument that we're at Peak Mediocrity for car systems that one can own (at least at the levels that we think we own our cars now).

> the moment a large car company thinks they can do software well

Reminded me of this:

GM stops selling the Chevy Blazer EV to deal with ‘software quality issues’

https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/23/24013357/2024-chevy-blaz...

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by throwaway1507 »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #43
throwaway1507 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my country it could be argued it's just a deposit and thus not taxable income.

In the case of tesla they have a big bundle of cash sitting somewhere that they can't recognize until they ship full self driving/fsd, and they are probably never going to ship that imho

Could you describe what does it mean "can't recognize"? Where I live you can use deposits as you like...

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by kibibu »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #40
worik wrote: post #20

I do not want my car reporting on me I do not need "over the air" updates Sell me the car. I will drive it away and make my own arrangements for maintenance. I want an asset, not a subscription Old man shouting at clouds?

Tesla has done a fantastic job of updating the software, adding useful features. They still do (some basic) updates of the cars of 10 years ago. They managed to keep the UI fairly fast and responsive on old hardware, even as they have update the hardware for the console cpu etc many times. This is in contract to VW and many other legacy auto companies, that have struggled with software. I have worried about an upgrad…

> an upgrade ... bricking the car

That this is even plausible should be cause for concern.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by tivert »

ryanisnan wrote: post #46
worik wrote: post #20

I do not want my car reporting on me I do not need "over the air" updates Sell me the car. I will drive it away and make my own arrangements for maintenance. I want an asset, not a subscription Old man shouting at clouds?

> Old man shouting at clouds? Reasonable person reacting to insanity? I believe there's a small but growing market for "dumb" tech. Unfortunately there aren't really many options for cars that I'm aware of. I suspect a quality-but-stupid display company is incubating somewhere, just waiting to nail manufacturing.

> I believe there's a small but growing market for "dumb" tech. Unfortunately there aren't really many options for cars that I'm aware of. I suspect a quality-but-stupid display company is incubating somewhere, just waiting to nail manufacturing.

I'm pessimistic. The product would be too niche.

The problem is twofold:

1. Experts who have the users best interests at heart have bee disempowerd by business-culture and technological change (opening up new avenues of customer exploitation that were previously impossible).

2. A lot of these issues are technical and hard to understand by the average consumer. Furthermore consumers have been trained over the last few decades to put up with a lot of crap. Even if a individual consumer doesn't like something, it will be a vague feeling or a gotcha that happens long after purchase. And what choice are they given by the market? Usually none (e.g. all the copycatting).

Just as an example of how terrible the market can be: I understand the quality of many household appliances has fallen through the floor over the last few decades: they break more quickly, more expensively, and are harder to repair. To enable that, many of the major players own so many brands that even a totally unsatisfied consumer is likely to be a repeat customer, even of the exact same model they hate (e.g. have a terrible experience with a Whirlpool washer, then swear off the brand and end up buying a Maytag, which is literally a restyling of the same exact model).

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by tivert »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #40
worik wrote: post #20

I do not want my car reporting on me I do not need "over the air" updates Sell me the car. I will drive it away and make my own arrangements for maintenance. I want an asset, not a subscription Old man shouting at clouds?

Tesla has done a fantastic job of updating the software, adding useful features. They still do (some basic) updates of the cars of 10 years ago. They managed to keep the UI fairly fast and responsive on old hardware, even as they have update the hardware for the console cpu etc many times. This is in contract to VW and many other legacy auto companies, that have struggled with software. I have worried about an upgrad…

> Tesla has done a fantastic job of updating the software, adding useful features. They still do (some basic) updates of the cars of 10 years ago. They managed to keep the UI fairly fast and responsive on old hardware, even as they have update the hardware for the console cpu etc many times. This is in contract to VW and many other legacy auto companies, that have struggled with software.

I don't know about VW, but my Honda has decent (not great, but decent) software for the head unit (Android, basically). Because my car has no modem whatsoever, it's never been updated, which I vastly prefer to having to deal with "upgrades" of any kind.

IMHO, car software should be developed like a pre-internet videogame: finish it, test the hell out of it before release, then bugfixes or minor enhancements only, distributed through a totally consumer-controlled channel.

A car is a tool, and like a hammer, it's UX shouldn't change after you buy it.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff

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Post by [deleted] »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #4
nomel wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking on the persona of a boring consumer, who has had to go into the dealer to get several updates with their unconnected car, and sometimes charged for it ($200 to $700), I don't see this as bad, if it's done well.

OTOH i'm well pleased i can pay $200 for a new memory card for my in-car navigation and have 0 reliance on cellular service or some cloud provider that might not exist in a few years the newest toyota's seem to lack functionality inside a parking garage

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