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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
What you are suggesting is happening, the collective punishment of a nation for terrorist acts, is a war crime: https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/collect...
Hamas is the ruling party/government of Gaza.
De facto, not de jure. Hamas is not a signee of genocide convention, so ICJ has no jurisdiction over them.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
What you are suggesting is happening, the collective punishment of a nation for terrorist acts, is a war crime: https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/collect...
Hamas is the ruling party/government of Gaza.
Because Netanyahu wanted it to be that way. Here's the Times of Israel debunking this propaganda line: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up....
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
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Study of Law is in the framework of HN.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#305I do think that their future Feb ruling is going to call for a ceasefire. If they called for one now, Israel & especially the US were just going to ignore it and reduce the power of the court. Israel has created a beast that I don't think they can control themselves. I do think that the court is going to get more legitimacy after they explicitly tell Israel to __chill__, for Israel not to chill, and then get the ceas…
> I am so deeply disappointed in the Biden administration here. What do you expect him to do? With or without any assistance, Israel has more than enough weapons completely annihilate Gaza. Don't forget that they likely have nuclear capabilities. Israel believes they are demonstrating restraint and this restraint is the first thing to go if Israel feels like it's being backed into a corner.
> What do you expect him to do?
At least as much as Ronald Regan: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/12/A-shocked-and-outrag...
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
> South Africa asks ICC to exempt it from Putin arrest https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2YY1E6/ SA does not really present itself as an earnest or true actor in the sphere oh human rights.
> South Africa asks ICC to exempt it from Putin arrest "to avoid war with Russia" was how the rest of that headline went, along with two quotes about how Russia said such an arrest would be considered an act of war. While I would welcome Putin's arrest, I can't exactly fault South Africa for saying they'd rather not go to war .
They can avoid arresting Putin by not allowing a plane with Putin to land in South Africa.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#307Glad to see Israel face some responsibility for its horrific acts against civilians. > The court ruled that Israel must do all it can to prevent genocide, including refraining from killing Palestinians or causing harm to them Sounds like a ceasefire to me. How else would they do this? Definitely not with any of the military tactics Israel is currently using.
> > The court ruled that Israel must do all it can to prevent genocide, including refraining from killing Palestinians or causing harm to them > Sounds like a ceasefire to me. How else would they do this? Definitely not with any of the military tactics Israel is currently using. Reading the actual icj ruling it seems like it only forbid it when done with genocidial intent. The court did not forbid collateral damage.…
The ruling is so politically ambiguous, so israel will probably be digesting it for awhile. Perhaps lowering the military activities.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't believe that this would end if Hamas released their hostages. Ultimately, it would put Palestine back to where they were before October 7th except civilians would be much worse off. Still living under Israeli occupation with limited freedom of movement, limited external assistance, etc. Except now, they'd have no hospitals, no infrastructure, housing, etc. How can a place live Gaza possibly rebuild from that?
> where they were before October 7th except civilians would be much worse off. Still living under Israeli occupation with limited freedom of movement Israel hasn't had any presence in Gaza for nearly 20 years.
A lack of presence does not equal a lack of control. Israel still controls Palestinian air and maritime space, telecommunications, water, electricity, and border crossings.
While Israel may not have had a military presence since 2006, their control over the region did not do the same.
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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except SA specifically asked the court to require a ceasefire, which would have immediate consequences via security council vote and no more munitions landing in Israel. And the judges voted it down This isn't a read between the lines situation, because SA's request was specifically for the court to temporarily rule for a full immediate ceasefire until the larger case could be heard What is interesting here is that b…
From what i understand, the ceasefire was an extreme long shot by south africa and nobody really expected the icj to grant it. Particularly because the court cant order hamas to do anything and a one sided cease fire seems kind of unreasonable, but also the right to self defense is pretty fundamental in international law.
Is ICJ even able to order a ceasefire? ICJ did not recognize the activities of Israel as the right to self defense. ICJ would have recognized the activities of rebel force against the genocide as the right to self defense, but I don't think that is a question that came up.