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Trying out ChatGPT Plus for the last couple of months has done a lot to warm me up to the idea of paying for Kagi - I've been using it to cover a lot of queries I'd struggle with for longer in a search engine previously - so I'm glad to see they're considering ways of integrating LLMs, I don't think I want to add two $20-25pcm subscriptions for it, though I'll likely continue one. (I use, and have used for at least 1…
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But isn't the goal of the t-shirt a gift for the first 20k paying users? The goal for them doesn't seem to be about what they get back from giving away the t-shirt.
That sounds pretty silly. Shouldn't gifts and similar things come after the business is properly sustainable?
Sounds pretty sustainable already to me, unless they have a really large team and/or really inefficient infrastructure, neither which seem true to me.
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That sounds pretty silly. Shouldn't gifts and similar things come after the business is properly sustainable?
Based on their public data, they have 20,000+ paying users, and 1500 users paying for the family plan, which if all of the users are on the cheapest $5/month plan (which, many probably are on the $10/month plan like myself, as that gives you unlimited searches) would give them $100K+ each month. Sounds pretty sustainable already to me, unless they have a really large team and/or really inefficient infrastructure, nei…
Back of the envelope:
The Bing API costs about $0.015 per query at the most cost effective tier. Kagi's highest revenue per query pricing is $5/300 queries = $0.166 / query. That's pretty slim margins, and only made worse by the $10 tier.
Now, they can of course start doing exclusively their own crawling, indexing and ranking and avoid paying some larger search engine for API access. But for that to be cheaper, they need orders of magnitude more scale
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I started subscribing in like October and haven't been searching much since the new year cause I've been really busy. I think I have also noticed this quality degradation, and also the results taking much longer. I'm not gonna say it's useless but I understand. So I can dislike it for that reason with you. As far as politics... for a lot of people not relying on a single particular global megacorp (who tend to extend…
Agreed, the quality has slipped somewhat but I do believe the choice was in part due to the way cheaper offering by Brave, as after the change (or with it), they brought back $10/mo unlimited. Looking at brave's pricing, they do it based on reqs/sec + limit/month and it's way cheaper ($5/mo sub = 20mil searches, $0.00000025 a search if maxing it out) - This is based on the data for AI plan which is $5/mo rather than…
Trying out ChatGPT Plus for the last couple of months has done a lot to warm me up to the idea of paying for Kagi - I've been using it to cover a lot of queries I'd struggle with for longer in a search engine previously - so I'm glad to see they're considering ways of integrating LLMs, I don't think I want to add two $20-25pcm subscriptions for it, though I'll likely continue one. (I use, and have used for at least 1…
Note that Kagi includes LLM tools in their highest tier. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html
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Based on their public data, they have 20,000+ paying users, and 1500 users paying for the family plan, which if all of the users are on the cheapest $5/month plan (which, many probably are on the $10/month plan like myself, as that gives you unlimited searches) would give them $100K+ each month. Sounds pretty sustainable already to me, unless they have a really large team and/or really inefficient infrastructure, nei…
The expensive parts of the infrastructure are not their own, and the expense will scale by number of requests. Back of the envelope: The Bing API costs about $0.015 per query at the most cost effective tier. Kagi's highest revenue per query pricing is $5/300 queries = $0.166 / query. That's pretty slim margins, and only made worse by the $10 tier. Now, they can of course start doing exclusively their own crawling, in…
https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...
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I've been curious for a while too and I've been trying to de-google myself a tiny bit each year (more or less dropped Chrome in 2023). Once I actually grab a full time job again I wouldn't mind grabbing my own subscription here to try it out. I'm curious if 300 searches/month is truly enough for me, though. And what would happen if I go over that rate. Am I simply unable to search more for that month?
Personally I'm fine with the 300 searches/month, however that means I don't use Kagi for searches that are extremely simple.
It is so awesome to be able to put `!code` or `!expert` At the beginning of my search query and hit enter and have an AI do research for me with the query as the prompt. It doesn't interrupt my flow anymore to get AI insight. It's a game changer, a lot like github co-pilot was for me. As to the search results, it's always as good or better as Google. Sometimes I checked Google results just to make sure.
Trying out ChatGPT Plus for the last couple of months has done a lot to warm me up to the idea of paying for Kagi - I've been using it to cover a lot of queries I'd struggle with for longer in a search engine previously - so I'm glad to see they're considering ways of integrating LLMs, I don't think I want to add two $20-25pcm subscriptions for it, though I'll likely continue one. (I use, and have used for at least 1…
That way you pay exactly what you use, nothing more.