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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

folmar wrote: post #254
KomoD wrote: post #223

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> I can't figure out why it's so hard to ship stuff within the EU it's not, at least not in my experience.

Shipping is quite easy, especially for small and expensive things like laptops, where adding cost of DHL/DPD shipping is not a major deal. Tangentially, as they are doing it already, selling _to consumers_ is quite hard. Each country has different regulation placing a lot of obligations on the seller.

> Each country has different regulation

IIRC they are fairly consistent across the EU (simplifying cross border commerce is one of main reasons it exists)

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by mixmastamyk »

rkagerer wrote: post #327

Plus in maintaining the slimness of the overall laptop if wanting to use the Gigabit Ethernet port it sticks out from the side of the laptop. I really wish they'd fix this.

Yes, and please put some ports on the back.

Who the hell wants ethernet cables running sideways across their desk?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by Asmod4n »

nextos wrote: post #245
Asmod4n wrote: post #233

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According to the reviews i've seen its about 20 degrees cooler than other laptops with the same spec, making it way more quiter. The battery time is also several hours longer than compareable laptops of the same size.

And fan noise at idle / web browsing?

the fans turn on later than laptops of other brands do, so probably silent. but when they turn on they are a bit louder at first, but goes down rather quickly.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by mixmastamyk »

callalex wrote: post #348
olddustytrail wrote: post #249

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At the end of the day, all the work a CPU does turns into heat. If you want less heat you need the CPU to do fewer calculations. If you have processes pegging CPUs at 100% and you don't want them to, then use a cgroup to limit their CPU time.

>If you want less heat you need the CPU to do fewer calculations. You do understand that different machines can do the same calculations with different amounts of energy, right?

We all understand battery life isn't framework's strong point.

Still, if your dev environment is using CPU constantly you're likely doing something inefficiently. Redis and postgres don't do much unless you ask them to, for example.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by [deleted] »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #262
leeman2016 wrote: post #99

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You're not alone with the cooking laptop in a bag running Linux issue. I had those in the past with Dell/Toshiba laptops in the past.

It's funny but sad how this has literally been an issue for 20+ years and yet still no one can fix it. I've tried with many laptops, both Windows and Linux, and the only one that can reliably go into a backpack with >90% charge and come out after a flight with >80% is a Macbook, and that's also been true for more than a decade.

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by _odey »

snvzz wrote: post #287
_odey wrote: post #230

Honestly, this article ended up being more of an endorsement for the Tuxedo Pulse 14 laptop than for Framework, at least to me. The price difference between the two is noticeable (more than the 5% geometric mean result) and Tuxedo as a company officially supports Linux in their machines, as opposed to Framework which don't. Yes I know about Framework laptops working with Linux installed, and about Framework drivers e…

In contrast, I see no value in preinstalled Linux. Because, each and every time, I'd rather install it myself.

It's not about using the preinstalled one, it's about putting your reputation on the line that you are cofnident enough to preistall it and support it officially.

Tuxedo is a Linux laptop, Framework is "just another" windows laptop that happens to work with Linux as well.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by _odey »

MostlyStable wrote: post #284
_odey wrote: post #234

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Maybe, for my personal purposes it does not. Considering how I use, and intend to use a laptop, I wound not purchase the GPU module. I'm judging the two as a replacement for my current laptop, and the GPU does not really affect that. The soldered RAM on the Tuxedo Pulse 14 laptop does indeed give me doubts, I'm not saying it's flawless, only that, at least to me, it provides a better overall justification for the pur…

If you don't need the modular GPU, and are considering a 14 inch anyways, then why is the FW 13 not your reference machine anyways? But yeah, it sounds like the FM16 probably isn't the product for your needs.

Framework 13 has an "U" CPU comparat to the Tuxedo's "HS", which is the same as the Framework 16 one.

The Framework 13 laptop is still significantly more expensive than Tuxedo Pulse considering the difference in hardware specs.

I understand the difference is from the customizability features, but don't consider it worth it. I'm happy for people to disagree with me.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by motiejus »

steinuil wrote: post #98
motiejus wrote: post #33

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You are not alone with both issues. Framework12, i5, NixOS. My milleage is 2.5~3h, but usage is light (vim mainly, often not even a browser). I spent quite some time trying different things to optimize it, but never got more than realistic 3 hours. Happy with other aspects though.

I have a Framework 13 12th gen i5 as well, running NixOS, but I definitely get a lot more than 3 hours! I'm usually running some terminals and Firefox. I definitely had to play with powertop a bit and remove some programs that consumed a lot of battery (for example, the blueman tray applet had to go). I'd recommend setting powerManagement.enable = true and powerManagement.powertop.enable = true, and letting powertop…

Your flake is very helpful, thanks! I cargo-culted tlp configuration, will see how it goes.

> and letting powertop run in the background while on battery for a few hours to identify the worst offenders.

How do you do the analysis after running powertop in the background?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by snvzz »

_odey wrote: post #356
snvzz wrote: post #287

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In contrast, I see no value in preinstalled Linux. Because, each and every time, I'd rather install it myself.

It's not about using the preinstalled one, it's about putting your reputation on the line that you are cofnident enough to preistall it and support it officially. Tuxedo is a Linux laptop, Framework is "just another" windows laptop that happens to work with Linux as well.

If I was them, I wouldn't bother.

Best to focus on making the hardware the absolute best.

This includes selecting parts that work well on oss systems, as well as taking special care on the firmware side that everything is as correct and open source as possible.

Anybody else can do software support; that's not my business.

>Tuxedo is a Linux laptop, Framework is "just another" windows laptop that happens to work with Linux as well.

I disagree with the practice of bundling to begin with. If it was up to me, I'd have laws in place to prevent bundling.

I do not want a Linux laptop, or a Windows one. I just want a laptop that doesn't suck.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by mixmastamyk »

csdvrx wrote: post #290
m463 wrote: post #283

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these are interesting hacks, glad you let people know about this possibility.

It is a very nice keyboard layout. I'm very happy I discovered it (even if it was by mistake!) Another example I can think about: remap the Ro key to toggle between international layout while it's pressed, so you can switch between layouts with a key right next to the shift key. For example, on a US/RU settting, press Ro while pressing the 6 keys to the right of Tab in a sequence and you would get ЙЦУКЕН, don't press…

Could you make the key under the C act as a Cmd/Ctrl key like a Mac?
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