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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by kennydude »

bombcar wrote: post #214
buildbot wrote: post #151

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Dell Windows laptops will also cook themselves. (For example: https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/dell-957... ) Macbooks are the only device I would trust to not light a bag on fire…

Anecdata but I've had a MacBook do the cooking once, but it thermal throttled itself so it just got warm, not super hot.

Yeah I once had my old Macbook Air get insanely hot to the point it felt dangerous. I left it in the sink (dry and in case it blew up it would be somewhere non-flammable) to calm down and it was fine a few hours later.

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Post by ijhuygft776 »

ijhuygft776 wrote: post #120
RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

I never used a laptop keyboard that I liked (I currently have a thinkpad)... probably because I'm used to these old style IBM keyboards with numeric keypad https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71UJ8OXnZjL._AC_SL1500_....

to me, it would make a lot more sense to replace the lines of numbers on top of the keyboard with the numeric keypad (instead of getting rid of it)... it is so much easier to type numbers with it....

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Post by vehemenz »

RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

It would never happen, but I'd like to have a no-keyboard option. I never use my laptop keyboard because I have an HHKB, rendering it unnecessary. Instead of a keyboard, I'd like a flat surface where I can rest my HHKB and maybe an L-shaped connector to plug in the USB-C.

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Post by nextos »

Asmod4n wrote: post #233
nextos wrote: post #167

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How are the thermals and fan noise?

According to the reviews i've seen its about 20 degrees cooler than other laptops with the same spec, making it way more quiter. The battery time is also several hours longer than compareable laptops of the same size.

And fan noise at idle / web browsing?

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Post by nathancahill »

TkTech wrote: post #205
esskay wrote: post #41

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Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having. With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours. The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse…

Battery is what prevents me from taking my 13 framework with me when traveling. I spend most of my time in pycharm, rebuild docker containers constantly, and have celery + postgres + redis running full tilt. The fan is running constantly, it's always burning hot, and the battery lasts under 2 hours (if I'm really lucky). Previous generation Macbook running the same workload last for 6+ hours. That said, for someone w…

Mildly curious what kind of task requires that usage profile on a laptop (in general but especially while traveling?)

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Post by 6figurelenins »

tdrz wrote: post #219
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

What are the noise levels vs load?

The fan at full load (i5-1240P) is noticeable, but not obtrusive or unpleasant. My noise floor is a Be Quiet! desktop case.

In a normal workday, I don't hear it.

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Post by olddustytrail »

TkTech wrote: post #205
esskay wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having. With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours. The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse…

Battery is what prevents me from taking my 13 framework with me when traveling. I spend most of my time in pycharm, rebuild docker containers constantly, and have celery + postgres + redis running full tilt. The fan is running constantly, it's always burning hot, and the battery lasts under 2 hours (if I'm really lucky). Previous generation Macbook running the same workload last for 6+ hours. That said, for someone w…

At the end of the day, all the work a CPU does turns into heat. If you want less heat you need the CPU to do fewer calculations.

If you have processes pegging CPUs at 100% and you don't want them to, then use a cgroup to limit their CPU time.

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Post by emptysongglass »

hecanjog wrote: post #50
esskay wrote: post #41

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Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having. With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours. The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse…

I'm surprised to be reading that, honestly. I have a first batch framework 13 without any upgrades and I spent the summer working with it outside. Nothing super crazy, 4-6 hour stretches in the park, but I never remember cutting it close with the battery. As long as we're sharing anecdotes, I'm happy with the battery life FWIW... Edit: I'm running linux. I don't recall doing any battery optimization but maybe I insta…

I have an 11th gen and have terrible battery life. Always have. I would not describe the Linux support from Framework as sterling but bad battery life remains the same between my Linux and Windows sides if a little better on Windows.
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