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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by esskay »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having.

With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours.

The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse battery life than my old 2015 mac isn't as you can imagine making for a compelling upgrade.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by whalesalad »

RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

How long does your battery last?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp »

navaati wrote: post #26
schmorptron wrote: post #5

Gonna be interesting to see if the community effort to get an oculink port goes anywhere, would make using it with an eGPU much more viable. Regardless, it sounds pretty great from this review and the upgradable backslot is a massive achievement.

What’s the advantage of Oculink over regular Thunderbolt/USB4 for eGPU ?

Reduced protocol overhead allowing for greater throughput. It is native PCIe.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by whalesalad »

motiejus wrote: post #33
davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

You are not alone with both issues. Framework12, i5, NixOS. My milleage is 2.5~3h, but usage is light (vim mainly, often not even a browser). I spent quite some time trying different things to optimize it, but never got more than realistic 3 hours. Happy with other aspects though.

My M2 air will outlast the workday. Obscene battery life. I can’t imagine using a Linux notebook after this level of performance.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by leetharris »

RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

I have not used a Windows laptop outside of Razer and maybe Surface in many years.

How do those Thinkpad keyboards compare to new Macbook Pro keyboards?

I've always found the Macbook Pro keyboards to be "fine," but I'm curious if I am actually missing out on a better experience.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by Analemma_ »

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

I would really like to switch from my M1 MacBook to a Framework Laptop, but the battery life difference being almost an order of magnitude makes it a complete non-starter. I like Framework, but this needs to be at the absolute top of their priority list to the exclusion of almost everything else.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by bityard »

Note that if you want a Framework laptop and order it today, it won't ship to you until between early April or late June.

If you need a laptop now, you are better off getting a higher-end business-class laptop from Dell or Lenovo. (And probably a lot better price too.)

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp »

esskay wrote: post #41
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having. With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours. The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse…

For reference, here is Notebookcheck's review stating 9 hours of real world battery life in web browsing (though on Windows): https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-RX-7700S-performance-de...

For Linux, when following our installation guides for power optimization, power consumption with integrated graphics should be similar.

Edit: Tom's Hardware similarly reports 9 hours on Windows (with Graphics Module installed): https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/framework-laptop-16-rev....

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by hecanjog »

esskay wrote: post #41
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having. With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours. The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse…

I'm surprised to be reading that, honestly. I have a first batch framework 13 without any upgrades and I spent the summer working with it outside. Nothing super crazy, 4-6 hour stretches in the park, but I never remember cutting it close with the battery. As long as we're sharing anecdotes, I'm happy with the battery life FWIW...

Edit: I'm running linux. I don't recall doing any battery optimization but maybe I installed or configured something a few years ago? I don't change things often.

Another edit: I just checked and I do have TLP installed!

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