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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by KomoD »

depressedpanda wrote: post #121
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

When will it be available in Sweden? I followed the prompt on the website and signed up for the newsletter, but I got so much marketing spam that was totally irrelevant to my one and only question that I had to unsubscribe.

Curious as well

> but I got so much marketing spam that was totally irrelevant to my one and only question that I had to unsubscribe

Make sure you don't tick the "Stay up to date with Framework newsletters" checkbox, I didn't and haven't received any marketing

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Post by rmbyrro »

depressedpanda wrote: post #110
ativzzz wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea I got a FW a few years ago and regret it. For just a few hundred $$$ more I could've gotten an M1. The battery situation makes me never use it. Compare to a macbook when I can just close it and open it up weeks later and it just turns on with plenty of charge still left. Every time I need to use the FW i need to plug it in first or charge it if I want to take it somewhere. Defeats the point of a portable computin…

Protip: Make sure hibernation works then enable suspend-then-hibernate in logind.conf

Making hibernation work on Linux is the pain. Is it even possible on the Framework?

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Post by KomoD »

theshrike79 wrote: post #215
lousken wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rest of the EU is supported via reshipping https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/eu-unsupported-SJByUb...

"Supported" is a stretch. > All warranty service will require a shipping address within one of the EU countries we ship to. So if I need to warranty something, I need to figure out how to have a shipping address in, say, Germany? Easy! Oh and if the 2.5k€ laptop gets damaged by a 3rd party shipping company, I'm on the hook for it. Yea, I'll wait. I can't figure out why it's so hard to ship stuff within the EU. The wh…

> I can't figure out why it's so hard to ship stuff within the EU

it's not, at least not in my experience.

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Post by corethree »

dheera wrote: post #166
thenobsta wrote: post #109

I'll chime in and say that I love my FW13. It's a great machine. I got the DIY kit and had my 7yo put it together. It was straightforward with a little help from dad (even installing Ubuntu!). Now we fight over who gets to use it.

I love my FW13 too. I just wish it had more options for components. I can of course pick my own SSD and RAM configuration but that's true of every Lenovo laptop. I wish I could get a 4K screen, an eInk screen, a touchscreen, a Dvorak keyboard, a OLED keyboard, an IMU/GPS/barometer expansion module, a pico projector expansion module, a software-defined-radio expansion module, a larger aperture webcam module, an IR web…

>the companies in China doing hardware haven't caught onto making stuff for Framework.

Don't worry. They will catch on... making and copying not just components but the entire framework. It really depends on how popular it gets.

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Post by cdata »

Just gonna add my voice to the chorus of folks singing the praises of Framework's laptops. I have used the 13 for the last few years, and I'm planning to upgrade to a 16 soon. As a long-time Linux user, it's been my favorite laptop by far. A great machine, and a zero-compromise experience from a hardware support PoV. In fact, when you consider Framework's standard-setting level of user serviceability, it makes other laptops seem like a pretty major compromise.

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Post by grudg3 »

ornornor wrote: post #186
nrp wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's awesome to hear that. A big part of creating Framework was the urge to prevent a world where kids could no longer tinker with their parents' computers.

Any chance you’ll ship to Switzerland soon? Our only options are to ship it to Germany or France, go pick it up, pay import fees and taxes on top of the country’s 20% VAT, and then be denied warranty because delivering to a pick up address voids the warranty. It’s quite frustrating :/

Tagging onto this, I still am unable to buy it in NZ, after expressing interest 2 years ago.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

jwells89 wrote: post #58
hecanjog wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised to be reading that, honestly. I have a first batch framework 13 without any upgrades and I spent the summer working with it outside. Nothing super crazy, 4-6 hour stretches in the park, but I never remember cutting it close with the battery. As long as we're sharing anecdotes, I'm happy with the battery life FWIW... Edit: I'm running linux. I don't recall doing any battery optimization but maybe I insta…

I think the expectation for battery life for most these days is closer to what can be found on e.g. M-series MacBooks or in the x86 world, HP Dragonfly and some ASUS Zenbooks, which range between 14 and 22 hours.

Battery life is inherently a trade off against performance and weight.

It's also a trade off against competence, because you can kill the battery right quick if drivers don't idle things properly, but even after you address that you still have the other thing.

Which makes 16+ hour battery life an odd choice for most people. Who uses their laptop for 16 contiguous hours with no opportunity to charge? It could have been lighter or faster.

Naturally Framework has the potential to make it flexible: Have a dual-use bay where one of the options is a second battery, and then if you want it you take the weight/battery life trade off in favor of battery life, and if not the machine can be lighter.

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Post by progval »

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

Another data point: my FW13 12th gen, also on Debian, reaches 6 hours. I didn't tune anything other than cap the CPU to 2GHz in order to avoid fan noise.

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Post by _odey »

Honestly, this article ended up being more of an endorsement for the Tuxedo Pulse 14 laptop than for Framework, at least to me.

The price difference between the two is noticeable (more than the 5% geometric mean result) and Tuxedo as a company officially supports Linux in their machines, as opposed to Framework which don't. Yes I know about Framework laptops working with Linux installed, and about Framework drivers existing in fwupd, but Tuxedo actually sell laptops with Linux pre-installed and Framework doesn't; yes that distinction actually matters, it means the company itself is willing to put their name on the line with Linux support.

Sorry @nrp, I did not want to be so negative about the Framework 16, but I do think you have tough competition from Tuxedo in particular and the customizability might not be enough to justify the price difference (at least it is not for me).

Back to the benchmarks themselves, I'd assume the Framework 16 would perform a bit better (at least more than 5%) compared to the Framework 13, I'm guessing there might be some optimisations that could come in the future to improve the results? Maybe it's strength is in longer lived benchmarks because of (supposedly) better thermals, or in performance per watt?

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