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Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

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Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

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The assumptions you have to make to arrive at the conclusion that Samsung doesn't put SD card slots in their phones so that people buy cloud storage from Microsoft seem a little excessive.

It is excessive because that's not what I said. It's what you're saying.

Well, what are you implying in your post then?

Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

#22

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It is excessive because that's not what I said. It's what you're saying.

Well, what are you implying in your post then?

I'm implying exactly what I just said before.

Google and Microsoft (and Dropbox at one point) are partners of Samsung, so Samsung got paid by them to feature their products preinstalled on their phones and push certain promotions with their phones(free 1TB of cloud storage for one year or something like that).

So it stands to reason that if Samsung were to offer crazy amount of NAND storage out of the box, then then their partners in the cloud business would not be very happy, now would they?

Not that it's the main reason why they're not incentivized to put lot of NAND by default, but these partnerships can't help either.

I'm just explaining putting 2+2 together here guys, as I though the implication was obvious to everyone.

Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

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Samsung should get the memory card slot back. Heck, I still miss easily replaceable battery from Galaxy S5! In general, I hate how Galaxy S series is just becoming more and more like an iPhone. (Well, other than reasonably long firmware update support. Great job Samsung copying that!) I used to have both Samsung Galaxy S and iPhone — but now it's just iPhone. But yeah, DIY repair is great and there I wish Apple would…

The problem is mostly Android. Google gutted the API/usability of SD cards citing security risks.

Not just SD cards. Local storage outside the app private folder has also been completely gutted (replaced with APIs which attempt to unify cloud and local storage).

I re-downloaded the test APK from[0] and tested on my S21 [Android 14]

Legacy storage takes ~2-3ms to create a file. SAF takes ~20-60ms

[0] https://magicbox.imejl.sk/forums/topic/storage-access-framew...

Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

#25
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Samsung should get the memory card slot back. Heck, I still miss easily replaceable battery from Galaxy S5! In general, I hate how Galaxy S series is just becoming more and more like an iPhone. (Well, other than reasonably long firmware update support. Great job Samsung copying that!) I used to have both Samsung Galaxy S and iPhone — but now it's just iPhone. But yeah, DIY repair is great and there I wish Apple would…

Samsung still makes a phone like that. The Galaxy XCover6 Pro.

https://www.samsung.com/us/business/mobile/phones/galaxy-xco...

Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

#26
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Also because of flash memory degradation. You may notice that older devices are slow even after a full factory reset. The memory chips are reaching their limits.

Flash memory doesn't slow down as it ages.

Doesn't it degrade with use? I thought with modern wear leveling you get degraded performance for a long time before it just stops working, but I'm no expert. I'd love to learn more about this actually

Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

#27

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Well, what are you implying in your post then?

I'm implying exactly what I just said before. Google and Microsoft (and Dropbox at one point) are partners of Samsung, so Samsung got paid by them to feature their products preinstalled on their phones and push certain promotions with their phones(free 1TB of cloud storage for one year or something like that). So it stands to reason that if Samsung were to offer crazy amount of NAND storage out of the box, then then…

I'm so freaking confused. The person you replied to said this exact same thing, but you called them out on it. And when I pressed you on that point.....you just repeated what they said? Eh?

Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

#28
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Samsung should get the memory card slot back. Heck, I still miss easily replaceable battery from Galaxy S5! In general, I hate how Galaxy S series is just becoming more and more like an iPhone. (Well, other than reasonably long firmware update support. Great job Samsung copying that!) I used to have both Samsung Galaxy S and iPhone — but now it's just iPhone. But yeah, DIY repair is great and there I wish Apple would…

>Samsung should get the memory card slot back. They still have models with SD card slots, but they're never coming back to flagships because: 1. so they can milk you on cloud storage or on the expensive variants with more storage 2. access speed difference of UFS 4.0 vs fast SD cards is huge and unacceptable on a flagship that's supposed to compete with iPhones on speed 3. biggest and most important reason I learned…

(3) is interesting, but when you are the phone manufacturer that has to be so easy to mitigate:

- slow = notification with "slow photo write to SD card, use a better SD card for better performance"

- failure = they could offer a built-in app with reliability stats for the SD card currently inserted

At Samsung's size and amount of money to solve these problems, the skeptic in me feels like (3) is a convenient excuse for (1), or to excuse just copying what Apple does.

Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

#29

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>Samsung should get the memory card slot back. They still have models with SD card slots, but they're never coming back to flagships because: 1. so they can milk you on cloud storage or on the expensive variants with more storage 2. access speed difference of UFS 4.0 vs fast SD cards is huge and unacceptable on a flagship that's supposed to compete with iPhones on speed 3. biggest and most important reason I learned…

(3) is interesting, but when you are the phone manufacturer that has to be so easy to mitigate: - slow = notification with "slow photo write to SD card, use a better SD card for better performance" - failure = they could offer a built-in app with reliability stats for the SD card currently inserted At Samsung's size and amount of money to solve these problems, the skeptic in me feels like (3) is a convenient excuse f…

Assuming the average user wants to look at apps or believe the phone sure. If not there's no winning here and I can see why making it so the user just can't mess up on choosing storage and doesn't have to be presented all this information/responsibility when they do is still a much better image of the phone's storage quality.

Doesn't mean it's any less aligned with getting to charge more for storage. Just means it can still make plenty of sense as an excuse. Power users have consistently turned out to be a poor target for phone makers.

Re: Samsung expands DIY repair program, adds Galaxy S23 and Fold 5 in US

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Samsung should get the memory card slot back. They still have models with SD card slots, but they're never coming back to flagships because: 1. so they can milk you on cloud storage or on the expensive variants with more storage 2. access speed difference of UFS 4.0 vs fast SD cards is huge and unacceptable on a flagship that's supposed to compete with iPhones on speed 3. biggest and most important reason I learned…

(3) is interesting, but when you are the phone manufacturer that has to be so easy to mitigate: - slow = notification with "slow photo write to SD card, use a better SD card for better performance" - failure = they could offer a built-in app with reliability stats for the SD card currently inserted At Samsung's size and amount of money to solve these problems, the skeptic in me feels like (3) is a convenient excuse f…

Your suggestion feels like a lot more work and effort that still leads to terrible UX, slow phones and unhappy customers.

1. Customers being nagged their SD card is slow will hate the phone, not just the SD card they just bought and can't return. How will the users know which cards are fast enough? Most average users are not tach savvy at all and are easily duped by marketing fluff.

2. SD cards can also die out of the blue. Good luck trying to predict when with an app. You might as well just offer them data recovery services while you're at it for when they loose all their photos.

It's easier to just skip SD cards and offer fast and solid UFS storage at a higher cost, that you can vouch for, instead of something that could always be flaky for reasons outside of your control.

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