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> we saw them get taken for a ride by those very subcontractors with absurdly overpriced cost-plus projects that were always over budget, late and did the bare minimum to meet requirements. What is the evidence of that? Certainly there's every reason to believe that they exceeded requirements by a lot: NASA not only has an astounding successs rate (in the most challenging engineering and manufacturing challenges in h…
I'm talking about the contractors. Most of the rovers, orbiters etc which we think of when we think of NASA overperforming, like Curiosity, Spirit, Voyager, Cassini, were built by JPL, not Boeing, Lockmart or NG.
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Honestly, Boeing makes the case for returning certain companies to elite control. Mullenberg, an engineer, burned down Boeing for tens of millions today. A family that controls it wouldn’t rationally do that.
Good point but Mullenberg was only CEO from 2015 to 2020. The MAX first flew in 2016. Before that was James McNerney a literal Jack Welch-ian MBA who actually oversaw the development of the 737 MAX, the divestment of Spirit, and was Boeing’s first CEO without aerospace experience. Just skimming the wikis for Boeing, the 737 MAX, and the A320neo it looks like Boeing’s downfall should largely be attributed to McNerney.…
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Perhaps but there would probably be a lot less people starting companies if that was the case. LLCs were created for a reason and are effectively what this commenter [1] described. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39108118
Doesn't that describe many forms of incorporation, not just LLCs?
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I separate Boeing the business entity from the private capital that receives the cash.
that's ridiculous. it's like saying i separate myself the employee from the private individual receiving the salary. the two are the same. Just because the catholic church can get away with separating the same entity into multiple parts doesn't mean anyone can or should
Actions have consequences. Boeing decided they wanted to focus on maximizing profits rather than allowing organic growth to follow on continued high quality engineering and services. In regulated industries, especially where safety is of utmost importance, this is exceptionally risky. They F'd around and found out, and imho the only solution is leadership and strategy changes to shrink their business and refocus on b…
Airlines are contributary to this though. Boeing was working on a "clean redesign" new airliner to replace the 737. They shopped it around and nobody wanted it. They did not want to train mechanics and pilots on a new type. They wanted a "better 737." Then Airbus came out with the A320neo and that also pushed Boeing towards another incremental rework of the 737 since a brand new airliner takes 10 years to get designe…
At this point, it’s quite pertinent how many corners Boeing has cut over and over again—the company’s culture and management is obviously poisonous. I’m probably a minority of folks, but at this point I’m flying on airlines with the fewest Boeing Max generation planes in their fleet. I also don’t really trust the FAA to properly regulate Boeing after years of a close relationship—the recent groundings are the bare mi…
I fly a lot, way more than the average person. I try to avoid the 737-Max, but I'm rather picky about which aircraft I want to fly on.
The airline that stands to lose the most with the downfall of Boeing is actually Southwest - whose fleet is entirely composed of 737s. Not MAX's yet, but that was at least the plan before more of these problems were exposed. I can't imagine how nervous the C-suite at Southwest is feeling. Also - I wonder if Boeing even has the capability to build a new commercial airliner from scratch. The 787 was insanely expensive…
That's not correct. They have 220+ Max 8's in service.
I wonder how this will play out in practice. Their reasons to ditch Boeing are valid. Airbus though has a decade long backlog for the A32x series. How are they going to get that many in time?