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Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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One thing to keep in mind is the geographic distribution of these things. They're mostly found in the province of Gallia and Britain, and not in other regions. There'd be a lot of metalworkers in Rome and the surrounding cities in central and south Italy, but no artifacts like this have been found, and they've found > 100 of them now so the distribution is probably significant.

The cities likely had some form of guild system to prove claims like this. The middle of nowhere you could prove yourself with a standardized piece of work. ___ Though personally I like the "glove grandma" video of her crocheting gloves with the pieces.

Why none in Roman North Africa or all the other provinces in the east which were also "the middle of nowhere" with the same needs of metal work as Gallia/Britain.

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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The equivalent today would be 3Dbenchy boats -- "we found an identical boat toy design in multiple sites made of different plastic materials, colors and sizes. It is spread universally around the World cities, found in sites of crafts, leading us to believe it is an idol of a new 21st century religion predominant among workers of the arts and crafts"

3D printed plastics only last a few centuries. Future archeologists are not going to find these in thousands of years.

In the joke world they will, along with the lost of all current knowldge of what the 3D boat is

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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post #63

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Related, video showing its use in knitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76AvV601yJ0

Even if that's the case, some mystery remains, discussed at this point: https://youtu.be/76AvV601yJ0?si=JQi4K8w9ZvphZ1wV&t=460 Presumably you'd find similar jigs for finishing the glove nearby.

You also wouldn't need such a complex object for that. These things were extremely difficult to cast in the years that they were made. It would be far easier to carve a similar device out of wood as a glove-making jig.

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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> “Roman society was full of superstition,” writes the Norton Disney group. “A potential link with local religious practice is our current working theory. More investigation is required, though.” That's funny. I think I stopped believing in God as a kid because in all the historical articles I read, it was clear that the people of the past just believed in superstition. It obviously follows that our current religions…

I'm not religious either, but I don't think the logic holds up. Philosophers and scientists of the past came to all kinds of ridiculous conclusions, but it doesn't follow that utilitarianism or atomic theory are ridiculous.

I think these theories were always more sophisticated than religions. And the work of ancient philosophers is still not completely outdated, e.g. Aristotle's logic holds up, albeit in a limited domain. Moreover, the former theories have since further increased in sophistication, while religion didn't get significantly more sophisticated.

Though I admit your point is a good one and not so easily refuted. In general it is known as the "pessimistic meta-induction": Theories from the past were wrong, so we should think our current theories are wrong as well. See

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/realism-theory-change/#Di...

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/scientific-realism/#PessI...

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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> “Roman society was full of superstition,” writes the Norton Disney group. “A potential link with local religious practice is our current working theory. More investigation is required, though.” That's funny. I think I stopped believing in God as a kid because in all the historical articles I read, it was clear that the people of the past just believed in superstition. It obviously follows that our current religions…

Mine came from realizing all of the religions have the same basic stories all credited to their deity as the cause, yet all saying the other deities didn't exist or were false gods.

Ah yes, that's the other good point. Really they are parts of the more general incoherency: "My religion is correct, while all the other religions, current or from the past, are mere superstition."

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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I thought these were thought to be looms for knitting finger sections for woollen gloves? I seem to recall someone testing this theory and actually producing very well-fitting gloves - and each of the holes in the design are a different size, to support the different finger-sizes of the customer.

That's about as valid a guess as any other of the hundreds of guesses in this thread, which are probably not valid at all.

There's no reason such a complex and expensive to make object would be used for knitting when a simple thing carved out of wood would do the same.

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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If they are important, they should appear in drawings, paintings, carvings, statues, etc. Someone should really be searching in these areas.

I wonder if anyone is AI for stuff like this? You could fairly easily train a model to look through a huge number of historical resources for potential visual matches to review.

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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Looks like a good thing to store kindling in for a torch. Kinda did something similar for fire arrows

Some of them don’t have big holes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#/media/File...

One of those things is not like the others, and is actually very much different, so much that I have to wonder if it's not some kind of cheap knock-off that isn't actually fit for purpose, whatever the purpose was.
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