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One thing to keep in mind is the geographic distribution of these things. They're mostly found in the province of Gallia and Britain, and not in other regions. There'd be a lot of metalworkers in Rome and the surrounding cities in central and south Italy, but no artifacts like this have been found, and they've found > 100 of them now so the distribution is probably significant.
The cities likely had some form of guild system to prove claims like this. The middle of nowhere you could prove yourself with a standardized piece of work. ___ Though personally I like the "glove grandma" video of her crocheting gloves with the pieces.
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The equivalent today would be 3Dbenchy boats -- "we found an identical boat toy design in multiple sites made of different plastic materials, colors and sizes. It is spread universally around the World cities, found in sites of crafts, leading us to believe it is an idol of a new 21st century religion predominant among workers of the arts and crafts"
3D printed plastics only last a few centuries. Future archeologists are not going to find these in thousands of years.
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Related, video showing its use in knitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76AvV601yJ0
Even if that's the case, some mystery remains, discussed at this point: https://youtu.be/76AvV601yJ0?si=JQi4K8w9ZvphZ1wV&t=460 Presumably you'd find similar jigs for finishing the glove nearby.
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#224> “Roman society was full of superstition,” writes the Norton Disney group. “A potential link with local religious practice is our current working theory. More investigation is required, though.” That's funny. I think I stopped believing in God as a kid because in all the historical articles I read, it was clear that the people of the past just believed in superstition. It obviously follows that our current religions…
I'm not religious either, but I don't think the logic holds up. Philosophers and scientists of the past came to all kinds of ridiculous conclusions, but it doesn't follow that utilitarianism or atomic theory are ridiculous.
Though I admit your point is a good one and not so easily refuted. In general it is known as the "pessimistic meta-induction": Theories from the past were wrong, so we should think our current theories are wrong as well. See
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/realism-theory-change/#Di...
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/scientific-realism/#PessI...
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#225> “Roman society was full of superstition,” writes the Norton Disney group. “A potential link with local religious practice is our current working theory. More investigation is required, though.” That's funny. I think I stopped believing in God as a kid because in all the historical articles I read, it was clear that the people of the past just believed in superstition. It obviously follows that our current religions…
Mine came from realizing all of the religions have the same basic stories all credited to their deity as the cause, yet all saying the other deities didn't exist or were false gods.
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#226I thought these were thought to be looms for knitting finger sections for woollen gloves? I seem to recall someone testing this theory and actually producing very well-fitting gloves - and each of the holes in the design are a different size, to support the different finger-sizes of the customer.
There's no reason such a complex and expensive to make object would be used for knitting when a simple thing carved out of wood would do the same.
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#228If they are important, they should appear in drawings, paintings, carvings, statues, etc. Someone should really be searching in these areas.
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#229Looks like a good thing to store kindling in for a torch. Kinda did something similar for fire arrows
Some of them don’t have big holes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#/media/File...