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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by ativzzz »

depressedpanda wrote: post #110
ativzzz wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea I got a FW a few years ago and regret it. For just a few hundred $$$ more I could've gotten an M1. The battery situation makes me never use it. Compare to a macbook when I can just close it and open it up weeks later and it just turns on with plenty of charge still left. Every time I need to use the FW i need to plug it in first or charge it if I want to take it somewhere. Defeats the point of a portable computin…

Protip: Make sure hibernation works then enable suspend-then-hibernate in logind.conf

I got the FW when I was between jobs so I had a bunch of time to tinker with it and mess around with Linux configs. Now I have a baby and a job so unfortunately my desire to tinker with config is pretty much 0 at this point

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Post by binkHN »

p_l wrote: post #86
askonomm wrote: post #67

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Touched maybe not, but it's almost 20 hours worse. Surely it doesn't have to be THAT bad?

It's also a Linux issue that was ignored for years by users and done developers who instead pushed where possible reenabling clunkier older operating modes. My understanding is that one of the reasons Linux on M-series macs doesn't have the problem is that Asahi team doesn't take similarly crappy attitude. Also, the issue appears to show up on other 7040 Ryzen laptops, so I hope this finally gets us proper "modern sl…

> the issue appears to show up on other 7040 Ryzen laptops, so I hope this finally gets us proper "modern sleep" support instead of instructions to disable it in firmware setup.

My ThinkPad has modern sleep support for the 7840U; sleep and wake are nearly instant with very little battery use while sleeping.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by dheera »

nfriedly wrote: post #159

One more person chiming in to say that I'm really happy with my 13" AMD Framework laptop. It wakes from sleep and reconnects wifi before I'm done opening the lid, I can charge it from either side, the screen is beautiful, it's nice and lightweight, the performance and battery life are good enough that I don't think about it. On the down side, the touchpad is a notable downgrade from the macbook I use for work, and th…

> It wakes from sleep and reconnects wifi before I'm done opening the lid

My experience was this is only true for "s2idle" suspend but that mode causes battery drain of 30% every 8 hours which was way more than I was willing to tolerate. It's okay I guess if you're just commuting and unplugging-plugging or something. But it didn't work for me for leisure travel when I would often go 24 hours without opening my laptop.

In "deep" sleep mode (which only works with some SSDs) power drain is minimal but it takes upwards of 15 seconds to resume and reconnect to wifi. This is what I use now. I just tolerate the 15 seconds, but I wish it were as fast as a Macbook.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by BadHumans »

dinkleberg wrote: post #87
RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

It is unlikely, but I really hope they get an ortholinear keyboard option at some point. There is this thread[1] which has gotten my hopes up. [1] https://community.frame.work/t/ortholinear-keyboard-option/3...

There will probably never make one. I'd be surprised if even % of laptop users even know what an ortholinear layout is. You have a better chance of an aftermarket one.

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Post by belthesar »

sciclaw wrote: post #157
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Will there be a way to sell old parts back to Framework as we start upgrading computers?

I'm not a part of Framework, but I imagine they're less interested in becoming their own secondary market.

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Post by dheera »

thenobsta wrote: post #109

I'll chime in and say that I love my FW13. It's a great machine. I got the DIY kit and had my 7yo put it together. It was straightforward with a little help from dad (even installing Ubuntu!). Now we fight over who gets to use it.

I love my FW13 too. I just wish it had more options for components. I can of course pick my own SSD and RAM configuration but that's true of every Lenovo laptop.

I wish I could get a 4K screen, an eInk screen, a touchscreen, a Dvorak keyboard, a OLED keyboard, an IMU/GPS/barometer expansion module, a pico projector expansion module, a software-defined-radio expansion module, a larger aperture webcam module, an IR webcam module, a depth camera webcam module, an Arduino expansion module, an IR emitter expansion module that controls TVs, etc etc etc.

But nobody seems interested in making this stuff. I guess the community that uses Framework laptops isn't really capable of that level of hardware engineering (me included) and the companies in China doing hardware haven't caught onto making stuff for Framework.

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Post by nextos »

thenobsta wrote: post #109

I'll chime in and say that I love my FW13. It's a great machine. I got the DIY kit and had my 7yo put it together. It was straightforward with a little help from dad (even installing Ubuntu!). Now we fight over who gets to use it.

How are the thermals and fan noise?

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Post by radus »

dheera wrote: post #163
nfriedly wrote: post #159

One more person chiming in to say that I'm really happy with my 13" AMD Framework laptop. It wakes from sleep and reconnects wifi before I'm done opening the lid, I can charge it from either side, the screen is beautiful, it's nice and lightweight, the performance and battery life are good enough that I don't think about it. On the down side, the touchpad is a notable downgrade from the macbook I use for work, and th…

> It wakes from sleep and reconnects wifi before I'm done opening the lid My experience was this is only true for "s2idle" suspend but that mode causes battery drain of 30% every 8 hours which was way more than I was willing to tolerate. It's okay I guess if you're just commuting and unplugging-plugging or something. But it didn't work for me for leisure travel when I would often go 24 hours without opening my laptop…

This is my experience as well :/

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Post by tristan957 »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #128
tristan957 wrote: post #119

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Linux support will definitely get better within the next year, but yeah this is my biggest pain point. Electron and other XWayland apps look terrible. Is there some environment variable that I can set to launch Electron apps with the correct command line arguments for Wayland? Edit: Looks like I found what I am looking for: https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/api/environment-varia... . Electron apps are still blur…

Use a better DE. KDE allows not scaling xwayland apps, and Hyprland does too. Just set Xft.dpi to let it scale the old fashioned way. Electron can be started with wayland but it's often buggy.

GNOME meets all my needs except this one, so I think I will stay here. Definitely looking for a less drastic solution.

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Post by nfriedly »

dheera wrote: post #163
nfriedly wrote: post #159

One more person chiming in to say that I'm really happy with my 13" AMD Framework laptop. It wakes from sleep and reconnects wifi before I'm done opening the lid, I can charge it from either side, the screen is beautiful, it's nice and lightweight, the performance and battery life are good enough that I don't think about it. On the down side, the touchpad is a notable downgrade from the macbook I use for work, and th…

> It wakes from sleep and reconnects wifi before I'm done opening the lid My experience was this is only true for "s2idle" suspend but that mode causes battery drain of 30% every 8 hours which was way more than I was willing to tolerate. It's okay I guess if you're just commuting and unplugging-plugging or something. But it didn't work for me for leisure travel when I would often go 24 hours without opening my laptop…

You're probably right about that. Mine hibernates after a few hours, and then it does take a bit longer to be ready to use, but I've never noticed significant battery drain in between usages.

My SSD is a SK Hynix P41, which I believe does support the lower power states.

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