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Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by mmh0000 »

ShaolinTrooper wrote: post #100
mmh0000 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is, you're being filmed in most all public spaces all the time. Some rando filming doesn't really change the amount of privacy you do or don't have. EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/thrxuy/iso_surveill...

There's a difference. CCTV footages aren't used for profit and it will not be published to the public. Brendan's live video is used for profit and is published for everyone to see.

cctv footage gets published all the time for profit

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=security+...

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by ETH_start »

g-b-r wrote: post #94
ETH_start wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK filming in public and publishing the film anywhere is indeed a right and freedom, so you're mocking British concepts of freedom and the pianist for defending it. It's ludicrous to claim you have a right to force others to avert their cameras when you are out in public, and that otherwise, your rights are violated. If you don't want to be seen, wear a mask. The public and its eyes/cameras don't belong to you…

If that's British concept of freedom I'm most definitely mocking it. You can't see that you're forcing people to act in some way when you film them. The kind of freedom you defend here is the one of reducing other people's freedom (by a larger amount than what you sacrifice by not filming).

You're not forcing people to act in any way by filmimg them. Filming is not an act of force, and yet you advocate employing state force to restrict it.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by ETH_start »

cassianoleal wrote: post #102
ETH_start wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holding that many PRC flags is a clear indication of supporting the CCP. It's not bigotry to expose CCP supporters.

That's quite a leap, but still - even if they are CCP supporters, that doesn't automatically make them CCP members.

The CCP has 90 million members.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by g-b-r »

ETH_start wrote: post #113
g-b-r wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's British concept of freedom I'm most definitely mocking it. You can't see that you're forcing people to act in some way when you film them. The kind of freedom you defend here is the one of reducing other people's freedom (by a larger amount than what you sacrifice by not filming).

You're not forcing people to act in any way by filmimg them. Filming is not an act of force, and yet you advocate employing state force to restrict it.

You do, and it is, even if it doesn't involve muscles.

Can I avoid it if you refuse to blur me / not upload the video ?

Sure, by beating you up maybe, but that's not really allowed in today's society xD

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by MiiMe19 »

morninglight wrote: post #99
swat535 wrote: post #96

FYI, OP has posted an update, looks like they are trying take it down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ1BtQ6AEyM

The "Chinese" people in the video need to be positively identified. Their demeanor is strikingly out of line with the behavior of Chinese tourists. Their tactics resemble a Falun Gong effort to discredit the CCP. The first step is to identify them.

I think that assuming that the people waving Chinese flags are not Chinese without any evidence to support that is a bit of a logic leap.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by tpoacher »

Aaand here's the inevitable doxxing that's now come out from having this video being posted, if anyone's still reading this thread.

https://9gag.com/gag/a8qZ9vO

Given how predictable this kind of mob reaction was, I still maintain the person filming was a dick; within legal rights or otherwise. Some of the comments here gleefully implying FAFO / Streisand Effect and the like, are baffling to say the least.

Meanwhile, this explanation from one of the people involved sounds very sensible: https://twitter.com/Byron_Wan/status/1749626454021992852

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by ShaolinTrooper »

evolvevia wrote: post #110
ShaolinTrooper wrote: post #106

I've watched the video again. Brendan tried to get the Chinese woman to "dance" and made a remark that British girls are more fun which was really inappropriate and disrespectful when the Chinese woman respectfully disagreed to dance. The Chinese woman then again respectfully requested to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. Brendan then again started to retaliate and d…

> to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. > Brendan then again started to retaliate and did not respect the request which is by the way, not that hard to honor such a request. It was a livestream - to stop recording means ending the stream, which he didn't want to do when there's thousands of viewers watching. If the group didn't want to be filmed, they could have just.…

That was the easiest way for a very peaceful conversation but the Chinese nationals looked like they wanted smoke and fought for what they thought was right.

It escalated because Brendan retaliated and we ended up with this mess.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by ETH_start »

g-b-r wrote: post #115
ETH_start wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not forcing people to act in any way by filmimg them. Filming is not an act of force, and yet you advocate employing state force to restrict it.

You do, and it is, even if it doesn't involve muscles. Can I avoid it if you refuse to blur me / not upload the video ? Sure, by beating you up maybe, but that's not really allowed in today's society xD

You haven't described any aspect of filming you that forces you to do something, yet still maintain a right to use force against those who film in public.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by Shaolol »

ShaolinTrooper wrote: post #118
evolvevia wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. > Brendan then again started to retaliate and did not respect the request which is by the way, not that hard to honor such a request. It was a livestream - to stop recording means ending the stream, which he didn't want to do when there's thousands of viewers watching. If the group didn't want to be filmed, they could have just.…

That was the easiest way for a very peaceful conversation but the Chinese nationals looked like they wanted smoke and fought for what they thought was right. It escalated because Brendan retaliated and we ended up with this mess.

The word you are looking for is responded. Brendan responded in a way they didn't appreciate. That is not retaliation or even escalation. It's disagreement.

The other party attempted to assert their right to not have their likeness published online. As they are in the United Kingdom and not in China, the statement of this clear fact and Brendan's assertion of his rights to film in public and publish that video were proper.

The other party were being ignorant of, insensitive to, and intolerant of the customs and norms of the people of the United Kingdom. You are in the wrong for claiming racism when this was a clash of cultures.

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