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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by binkHN »

RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

> ...modded X201 with updated ... motherboard...

How far are you getting with these updates? I agree the keyboards of old are legendary, but at some point your productivity is negatively affected by legacy CPUs and related.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by jwells89 »

juujian wrote: post #31
RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

I hope with the new modular keyboard tray we will get some decent option. I would only buy it if there was one with a track point tbh, third party or otherwise.

I’ve been hopeful for more keyboard options on Frameworks too. Ideally I’d like HHKB layout with trackpoint and accompanying trackpad module with three buttons at the top, but would be happy with only HHKB layout or only trackpoint.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp »

bityard wrote: post #48

Note that if you want a Framework laptop and order it today, it won't ship to you until between early April or late June. If you need a laptop now, you are better off getting a higher-end business-class laptop from Dell or Lenovo. (And probably a lot better price too.)

Note that that only applies to Framework Laptop 16, which we've seen massive pre-order demand on. Both the Intel and AMD Framework Laptop 13 models ship within a week from inventory.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by high_priest »

bityard wrote: post #48

Note that if you want a Framework laptop and order it today, it won't ship to you until between early April or late June. If you need a laptop now, you are better off getting a higher-end business-class laptop from Dell or Lenovo. (And probably a lot better price too.)

Or pay the scalper tax, buying second hand.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by natrys »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Any chance we can get Japanese keyboard? You asked for feedback on it a while ago:

https://community.frame.work/t/request-review-of-korean-belg...

(am not even Japanese, just have bad habit of using thumb clusters a lot, and this is the only layout with small space bar)

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by binkHN »

Analemma_ wrote: post #47
davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

I would really like to switch from my M1 MacBook to a Framework Laptop, but the battery life difference being almost an order of magnitude makes it a complete non-starter. I like Framework, but this needs to be at the absolute top of their priority list to the exclusion of almost everything else.

Framework's hands are tied; the battery life with Apple's CPUs simply can't be touched by the biggest players like Intel and AMD.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by jwells89 »

hecanjog wrote: post #50
esskay wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having. With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours. The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse…

I'm surprised to be reading that, honestly. I have a first batch framework 13 without any upgrades and I spent the summer working with it outside. Nothing super crazy, 4-6 hour stretches in the park, but I never remember cutting it close with the battery. As long as we're sharing anecdotes, I'm happy with the battery life FWIW... Edit: I'm running linux. I don't recall doing any battery optimization but maybe I insta…

I think the expectation for battery life for most these days is closer to what can be found on e.g. M-series MacBooks or in the x86 world, HP Dragonfly and some ASUS Zenbooks, which range between 14 and 22 hours.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by jckahn »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Hello! I’m in FW16 batch 4 and excited to support your product and company. Thanks for driving innovation in this space!

I’m holding out for an NVIDIA GPU, or at least some hardware to accelerate running local AI models. Do you have any expansion bay plans for that?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by Maskawanian »

hecanjog wrote: post #50
esskay wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having. With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours. The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse…

I'm surprised to be reading that, honestly. I have a first batch framework 13 without any upgrades and I spent the summer working with it outside. Nothing super crazy, 4-6 hour stretches in the park, but I never remember cutting it close with the battery. As long as we're sharing anecdotes, I'm happy with the battery life FWIW... Edit: I'm running linux. I don't recall doing any battery optimization but maybe I insta…

I love framework's mission. I would not change the past on buying a framework. To provide a counter example, quite often I open my bag to find that my Framework 13 has cooked itself in the bag. The battery life, and the bad intel sleep management have been a thorn in my side since I got it. But the power management does leave much to be desired.

Given LTT's review of the laptop, it may be best to wait for the 2nd revision of this which hopefully will deal with the deck flex and screen consistency issues.

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