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The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

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Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

#51

What happens if the hydrofoil hits a large dolphin, shark, whale or other large sea creature? Sea animals collide with motor boats occasionally but this Seaglider would be even more likely to do so because: - It doesn't produce as much underwater noise as a motor which would normally serve to alarm sea animals. - It goes a lot faster, giving sea animals less time to react. Then there is the concern about what a colli…

It's only hydro-foiling on take-off and landing, in flight it's a plane in ground effect flying just above the sea.

Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

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post #37
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is the craft, the Regent Viceroy sea glider: 12+2 crew, 3500 lbs payload, up to 156 nm range, 156 kt. It can fly an hour, might be okay for island hopping. https://www.regentcraft.com/seagliders/viceroy

When I go to the web sites of some of their "customers", there's no mention of this thing. Regent's own site says "Seagliders have 160 nautical mile range with existing battery technology (upgradeable to over 400 nautical mile range with next generation battery technology) and will enter service by 2025. Full-scale prototypes will begin human flight trials by 2024. Specifications and configuration are subject to chan…

Hawaiian: https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/releases/regent-announ...

JAL: https://press.jal.co.jp/en/items/uploads/7bd1bf3e9623f0ade78...

Mesa: https://www.mesa-air.com/regent

Mokulele (owned by Southern) links to news report about it on their home page: https://mokuleleairlines.com

The investments are real, but at least some of them might be more about the optics of investing in zero emissions planes rather than actually expecting these to enter service

Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

#53
post #27

Something also planned for New Zealand too: https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/

Neat! I couldn't see where they intend to run it (though it may be hidden in an article). They give a 300km range, which is almost exactly Christchurch–Wellington, so I wonder if that's possible.

A bit more information here:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/128397643/transport-revolut...

"Ocean Flyer’s seagliders would be able to fly people between Wellington and Lyttelton in an hour for $60 a seat, or between Auckland’s Viaduct Harbour and Whangarei in 30 minutes for $30, Aslam forecast."

Feels pretty speculative

Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

#55
post #9

Wasn't there a ferry transportation service that got canned due to environmental concerns? Seems hard to imagine planes doing better on that front.

I lived there right as the superferry got announced/released. Then in the same time span, almost overnight, it was shut down. Absolutely insane. It was a great solution.

The fact that you could bring your car to another island was epic. These planes cannot do that.

Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

#56
post #37
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is the craft, the Regent Viceroy sea glider: 12+2 crew, 3500 lbs payload, up to 156 nm range, 156 kt. It can fly an hour, might be okay for island hopping. https://www.regentcraft.com/seagliders/viceroy

When I go to the web sites of some of their "customers", there's no mention of this thing. Regent's own site says "Seagliders have 160 nautical mile range with existing battery technology (upgradeable to over 400 nautical mile range with next generation battery technology) and will enter service by 2025. Full-scale prototypes will begin human flight trials by 2024. Specifications and configuration are subject to chan…

> The 180mph top speed is impressive, but you're not going to be able to operate at that speed around other sea traffic.

> you can't zip these things across a major shipping lane full of container ships.

Why not? At the speed this thing is flying the container ships are almost stationary. If we take the Long Beach to Catalina Island example the flight time would be on the order of 10 minutes. If you take the full speed of a container ship they can travel around 5 miles under that. If you plot a course which avoids them by that much they can't jump in front of the plane even if they try.

Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

#57
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It's an ekranoplan. The USSR made several. The actual vehicle is from a company called Regent.[1] They do have a quarter-scale prototype, and a video. This web site is from some group trying to get funding for a service. The current Regent ekranoplan, not yet shipping, is a 12 passenger model. That seems small for an inter-island ferry. It would be faster than a ferry, but since the existing inter-island ferry routes…

As an aside, rctestflight over on YouTube has made a number of attempts[1] at making a good RC ground-effect vehicle. Due to physics this is a lot harder for smaller vehicles.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3heh9swH2Zw&list=PLXvxJNOIXB...

Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

#58
The aerodynamic benefit of flying in ground effect is fairly small, and the disadvantage is that rogue waves can just randomly splash that high.

The current plane's wingspan is 65 feet, which probably means it flies about 32 feet (half a wingspan) off the water. Rogue waves can easily be that high in mild weather, and hitting even a small amount of water at 200 mph (claimed cruise speed) is bad.

Lots of sea birds too, presumably, at that altitude.

Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

#59
It’s always cool to see a new contender trying to throw in their hat and get started.

Don’t know about giving grants though. They should be able to drum up enough business to make it work if it’s going to be viable long term. Lot of inter-island hopping in Hawaii.

The competitor to this is a boat, traditional airplane (including electric).

Hawaii airlines is the “traditional way” to get between the islands: the main airline taking people between islands for a long time now. Southwest is also now a pretty formidable competitor to them. So really, any service just needs to compete with them, because that’s what everybody takes. I guess there is also Mokulele, Makani Kai and Lanai too for the four seasons crowd and I think there is a boat to Lanai from Maui too.

I know people sometimes jump helicopters for way out. That’s expensive but there are a lot of places that are super hard to get to otherwise. I think there’s a real use case for a vtol taxi service.

You’ll know this company is getting serious if after starting up (presuming they do) they start a rewards program with someone like Costco. That’s the best way to get local people using your service. Free points trips compensated by Costco purchases will put asses in seats in the islands for sure. Busiest Costco in the world is in Oahu.

Re: The Hawai’i Seaglider Initiative: A new approach to travel between the islands

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post #58

The aerodynamic benefit of flying in ground effect is fairly small, and the disadvantage is that rogue waves can just randomly splash that high. The current plane's wingspan is 65 feet, which probably means it flies about 32 feet (half a wingspan) off the water. Rogue waves can easily be that high in mild weather, and hitting even a small amount of water at 200 mph (claimed cruise speed) is bad. Lots of sea birds too…

Seriously good fun as a garage home build though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ILbQHnHPnY
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