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Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by t0bia_s »

patates wrote: post #90
DeathArrow wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woke ideology in general. But yes, immigration is a big part of it.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke What's wrong with being "woke"? People can't tolerate the fact that some still want social justice as supposedly "less equal" people rush into the country? Yeah? Then they should just say it! I just want people to openly express the racism in their minds without coming up with ridiculous terms like "anti-woke". Truth would be them saying "We don't want equality, we believe we ar…

Ideology that tries to make wired and pathological behavior and ideas a normal thing and try shame others for not adopting it will never be accepted by majority.

We have democracy, not dictatorship.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by Throw84949 »

sighansen wrote: post #46
Throw84949 wrote: post #22

Current German goverment is also far right! They want to move migrants from Germany to other countries!

That is just plain untrue. They deport criminal migrants or migrants that are not under international asylum law. And we are talking about few thousands per year.

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Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by jamil7 »

shp0ngle wrote: post #17
earthnail wrote: post #9

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Not in modern Germany yet, no. Their protests are rather small in comparison and often met with much larger anti protests. However, the far right party AfD has been gaining lots of votes over the last few years. It will be interesting to see whether these protests are the beginning of a reversal of that trend.

Aren't there farmer protests in Germany right now?

The farmer protests are not necessarily right-wing protests, they represent a mixed bag of ideologies and a response to proposed changes in increased regulation and loss of subsidies. Right-wing and conservative groups attached themselves to these as a quick publicity stunt.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by mschuster91 »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #50
mschuster91 wrote: post #11

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> That's not a lot, in a country of millions. We do much more in France, every year. And it's been showing diminishing returns, as the government realized it could just not listen, and nothing bad would happen. You guys have a protest culture I'm pretty envious of. Meanwhile, here in Germany you can and will get arrested for wearing a bicycle helmet...

What?

Yes, I'm not kidding, and the police in Munich is ridiculously strict on enforcing this [1].

[1] https://twitter.com/PolizeiMuenchen/status/10477845680346767...

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by patates »

t0bia_s wrote: post #111
patates wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke What's wrong with being "woke"? People can't tolerate the fact that some still want social justice as supposedly "less equal" people rush into the country? Yeah? Then they should just say it! I just want people to openly express the racism in their minds without coming up with ridiculous terms like "anti-woke". Truth would be them saying "We don't want equality, we believe we ar…

Ideology that tries to make wired and pathological behavior and ideas a normal thing and try shame others for not adopting it will never be accepted by majority. We have democracy, not dictatorship.

> Ideology that tries to make wired and pathological behavior and ideas a normal thing

What are you referring to? Read some history on being "woke", what part is problematic?

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by on_the_train »

ALittleLight wrote: post #2

Do the reverse of these protests ever happen? Are there some days where right wing people protest with similar numbers?

There was a time when that happened. But the left is highly organized. They take photographs of every participant, had a database to share those. They identified everyone they could and ratted them out to their employer. There were a few high profile cases of people losing their job as a consequence. Today its effectively impossible to share your conservative opinion in Germany.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by jansan »

Throw84949 wrote: post #112
sighansen wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is just plain untrue. They deport criminal migrants or migrants that are not under international asylum law. And we are talking about few thousands per year.

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> I bet those poor people are also disproportionately non-white!

Yes, simply based on the fact that only non-European citizens can be deported. But what is interesting is that they are also disproportionately non-east-asian.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by throwbadubadu »

on_the_train wrote: post #107
eclecticfrank wrote: post #101

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AFD is not the only opposition party in Germany. The opposition in the German Bundestag is quite large. Of a total 736 seats there are 319 opposition seats. 78 of those are occupied by AFD politicians. The largest oppostion party is in fact the CDU/CSU with 197 members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundestag

Yet curiously, all those parties share the same politics in the relevant topics, and all work together to prevent the afd to take part in any (federal or local) government. Even where they have massive votes. That is not how the party system is supposed to work.

Outcry of an affected one? Democracy has the achilles heel of aborting itself, not only once that happened. That is why of course parties that want to keep that system need to fight parties that want to abolish it - and til there nothing is wrong in the party system, but it a starts when such a party comes to real constitution changing power.

Just for the books, neither the demos (nor myself) were directly for forbidding the AfD (sure, a lot of people are), because that is not the solution to the underlying problems.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by soco »

knallfrosch wrote: post #67
hnhg wrote: post #10

Meanwhile the AfD is looking to at least double their share of the votes perhaps to almost 25% of the electorate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_G...

Yes, that is directly related. I think the protests were a much needed morale boost for all middle-plus-left voters, but the real power is still with the swing voters that can give their vote to either the legacy parties or the AfD. The fact that many parties now woo these swing voters enfuriates much of the middle-plus-left electorate. They consider not voting for the AfD to be a no-brainer democratic duty anyway an…

The solution could be a new middle-left party to talk exactly about those concerning problems, but proposing different solutions. Is there any? Because the traditionals look more like trying to minimize the points, to the success we can all see. Also because I cannot imagine the pension system for once, without a steady influx of younger immigrants - so without them Germany is heading to fresh, Macron-style problems.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by mantas »

patates wrote: post #90
DeathArrow wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woke ideology in general. But yes, immigration is a big part of it.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke What's wrong with being "woke"? People can't tolerate the fact that some still want social justice as supposedly "less equal" people rush into the country? Yeah? Then they should just say it! I just want people to openly express the racism in their minds without coming up with ridiculous terms like "anti-woke". Truth would be them saying "We don't want equality, we believe we ar…

Woke is way beyond equality to the point that it brings anti-equality policies.

Wanting to control your borders and reduce migration is not a „privilege“. Nor it has anything to do with racism.

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