Reading comments, some things seem clear. Democracy is all right if you vote what we like.
Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
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Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#82Great demonstration of values but I'm sad to say these are not the voters. Just a few years agon Hungary also had marches with 100s of thousands in Budapest, but Orbán's regime stands like concrete and only becomes stronger. The silent majority, mostly countryside voters, does not march for either side.
Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#83Far left - far right is such a misnomer. It presents politics as a spectrum between these two extreme values. It's as if all politics should be mapped on this scale. However, historically communism and fascism were both collectivist and authoritarian - and also racist. They were actually just two competing teams of very similar ideas.
Today, "the left" is ideologically much closer to the historical far right and fascism. It's collectivist and authoritarian, while "the right" defends individuality and classical liberalism among other western values. I don't see nationalism so much, but rather defense of western culture and values.
Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#84Protests are fun. You can shout in the street, stroll and sing with your friends and feel morally superior. But how about addressing citizens' problems in the first place, so they don't turn to extremes ? Weird idea, I know...
Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
So they will finally give the people what they ask for? And stop doing what the people dislike?
"So they will finally give the people what they ask for? " How is that possible, when the people themself are divided? For example with weapon support for Ukraine: "Some 44% believe sending Leopard 2 battle tanks to Kyiv is the wrong decision, according to the results of a survey by pollster YouGov published on Sunday. At least 41% support the German government as it plans to send the first of 18 tanks to Ukraine " h…
>So where is the solution fitting everyone? What can the politicians do, to make everyone happy?
Do it the Swiss way and ask people trough a plebiscite?
Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#86Here we are again. If anyone as much as hints at politics from the "other side", their account is immediately nuked. But it's all good when you guys do it. 80 highly political comments, all good. But no, hn is not political. And if it is, it surely is neutral and rational... Sure.
And no, this were no protests against the "far right". It was an attempt to get the only opposition party in Germany banned, which is more than scary.
Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's everywhere, not just in Germany. Like you said, there's "something in the air". The rise of populism, rebirth of strong nationalism, is everywhere in Europe. I feel like wherever that tide is pushed back, it grows stronger in the background anyway. And the worst thing is, I don't really see how this could get better. Economic problems will continue to grow for at least several years, and one of the most contenio…
It's worth to look at the underlying cause for these sentiments gaining popularity and support in recent years. I'm pretty sure to some degree it has to do with native European populations being unhappy about illegal immigration and the problems arising from that. And before you call me a racist: mainstream media kept redefining the meaning of the word refugee for a while now. For example: refugees are expected to st…
I understand that refugees are a significant part of the perceived problem, but as an immigrant, I'm on line two of that Niemöller poem and I won't wait and see where Saxon farmers draw the line.
I'm not surprised by any of this, but I'm definitely not feeling easy about it.
Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#88How about the politicians listen to the voters and take steps to fix their concerns? Maybe then people wouldn't need to swing to extremes to get the solutions they require.
The thing that triggered the protests was a meeting of the far right including AFD people where they discussed a plan to deport all migrants including those that have a German passport. There is no listening to that kind of blatantly unconstitutional nonsense. I do think the communication from the left on migration is often problematic, at least for the center-left parties in Germany there isn't a huge difference to…
Was the recent change to legislation which made only 3 years of residence enough to apply for citizenship a trigger for this? In most countries it’s 5-10 years
Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#89Meanwhile the AfD is looking to at least double their share of the votes perhaps to almost 25% of the electorate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_G...
As an immigrant here in Germany I wonder if I should perhaps start to think about an exit strategy if this trend continues.
If you are living on social welfare, things might actually get a bit tighter in future.
Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right
#90As someone who doesn't live in Europe and never set foot in Europe, it seems like the #1 issue is immigration - both legal and refugees. Am I correct?
Woke ideology in general. But yes, immigration is a big part of it.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
What's wrong with being "woke"? People can't tolerate the fact that some still want social justice as supposedly "less equal" people rush into the country? Yeah? Then they should just say it!
I just want people to openly express the racism in their minds without coming up with ridiculous terms like "anti-woke". Truth would be them saying "We don't want equality, we believe we are privileged and we want to live that", why is it so hard to say?
But no. We didn't want to throw away the government! We like equality, just not woke! This is all you hear.