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High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by josscrowcroft »

This has to be a classic example of closing the stable doors after the horse has bolted.

They're scrabbling around, trying desperately and litigiously to cling on to whatever semblance of the pre-internet golden years they can, but it's too late. We've got a taste for free shit.

For better or worse - it's not going anywhere. They'd have to cut off our hands to stop us from getting what we want.

The worst part? The harder they make it, the less likely I am to feel good about paying for content.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by drucken »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #79
drucken wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in the sense of execution/implementation. In the UK system, without a written/arms-length constitution, the judiciary is manipulated or beholden to any newly created laws of the land, especially in civil matters. If there are no protections in law, especially rushed laws, there is little the judiciary can do to defend or even argue one interest versus another. This is surprisingly common, particularly in matters…

I'm reading this as the UK doesn't have a system of judicial review, i.e. the courts being able to strike down legislation as being non-compliant with some prior and of presumably higher authority law. Is this correct?

Correct.

"Unlike the United States and some other jurisdictions, the English doctrine of parliamentary supremacy means that the law does not know judicial review of primary legislation (laws passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom), except in a few cases where primary legislation is contrary to the law of the European Union."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review_in_English_law

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by ajross »

arethuza wrote: post #19

Presumably this is the English & Welsh High Court - not sure if this would apply in Scotland and Northern Ireland?

Not a brit nor a lawyer. But I thought it was simply called the "High Court of England and Wales" and that the judgments were binding throughout the UK.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by DanI-S »

At the risk of hyperbole: Lobbying is a catalyst for the destruction of democracy, and should be cut and cauterised from our civilization like the cancer that it is.

Anybody running on the platform of diminishing the corporate voice to its legitimate, proportional volume would certainly have my vote.

Whether or not piracy is morally excusable, I am certain this form of legislation is not what the British public wants.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by Flenser »

baddox wrote: post #65
citricsquid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child pornography: illegal Copyright infringement: illegal censoring child porn websites: right, censoring copyright infringement website: wrong. Not sure I understand the difference? Either you're for censorship of websites, or you're against it, you can't pick and choose.

Child pornography: should be illegal Copyright infringement: should not be illegal

So if companies wanted to infringe the copyright of GPLed code that should be allowed?

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by rmc »

jsnell wrote: post #75
rmc wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pirate Bay is just a collection of merely 90MB of magnet links which can be downloaded anywhere on the Internet in the blink of an eye. Someone made a torrent of the torrents on the Pirate Bay (at one point). Here's the magnet link: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:938802790a385c49307f34cca4c30f80b03df59c&dn=The+whole+Pirate+Bay+magnet+archive&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%…

Could you edit your comment to break that long line into smaller chunks? It's breaking the page layout.

Oops, forgot about that. Made it have a horizontal scroll.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by patrickk »

rapind wrote: post #23
debacle wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe so. Most people I know use Google for their torrent searches. Googling "britney spears torrent" is just going to bring up a different torrent site than tpb. The clear solution is for UK ISPs to ban Google.

I don't. When I google for torrents I usually get a bunch of garbage / ad spam sites which don't actually have the content... so I don't google for torrents. Besides, if they block pirate bay, it's only a matter of time before most other popular torrent sites are also blocked. Sure mirrors will pop up, but they won't show up on the first page of a google search's results, at least for a while. VPN is the way to go.

Instead of googling: "content name" + torrent....

..try this: "content name" + magnet.

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/12/from-the-tips-box-the-g...

This will return more spam-riddled results over time as magnet links grow in popularity (if more sites follow TPB and go magnet-only), but it'll do for now.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by cnbeuiwx »

The dark forces behind these organisations couldnt care less about music being pirated. What they really want is a censored, controlled internet where free speach is not anonymous.

You have to understand that the Internet is the only medium not built as a pyramid, where you can control the entire pyramid by controlling the leader. Nobody controls the entire Internet today, so its quite scary for the dark ones. Despite all their power and money, they cant stop the free flow of information on the Internet.

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Post by praptak »

Flenser wrote: post #85
baddox wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child pornography: should be illegal Copyright infringement: should not be illegal

So if companies wanted to infringe the copyright of GPLed code that should be allowed?

Yes, if in exchange for that everybody is allowed to infringe on their copyrights. And tivoization should be illegal.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by kaolinite »

baddox wrote: post #65
citricsquid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child pornography: illegal Copyright infringement: illegal censoring child porn websites: right, censoring copyright infringement website: wrong. Not sure I understand the difference? Either you're for censorship of websites, or you're against it, you can't pick and choose.

Child pornography: should be illegal Copyright infringement: should not be illegal

Copyright infringement should and must be illegal but it also must be put into perspective. Using copyright infringement to justify censorship, deportation of citizens, multi-million-dollar fines and lifetime prison sentences - that's a symptom of a broken judicial system and governments with bad priorities / corruption.

Downloading films + music for personal use? Should get warnings and eventually a small fine if the issue persists (not £X per file downloaded - a download != a sale).

Commercial copyright infringement? Large scale should result in a few years of jailtime at the most + seized profits. Smaller scale should vary but should be lenient with profits seized.

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