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Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#101

Post by SauciestGNU »

em-bee wrote: post #95
SauciestGNU wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's shockingly dystopian to me as an American that you could get a citation for using a cop's name.

part of the reason is that german language still distinguishes between personal and formal adressing, whereas in english it is all "you". using a firstname is clearly informal, although i feel that in this video the addressing does not come across as informal or showing lack of respect, more like familiarity of some form that this policewoman somehow allowed. german/austrian culture is still very much about respect.…

Thanks for taking the time to provide an explanation. This also helps me contextualize some of the interpersonal friction I've had with Austrians as well. I'm very informal and American and consciously attempt to treat those around me as peers.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#102

Post by cassianoleal »

ETH_start wrote: post #92
maxglute wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did I suggest she's an influencer extraordinaire? She makes career advice videos for Chinese international students. She has a small channel with small views like most entrepreneurs at this level. What skilled flanking security? You mean a bunch of other Chinese people in the group? A woman in the 30s isn't old enough to even be an important bureaucrat under PRC system that is tacitly gated by age. >He knows chinese…

Holding that many PRC flags is a clear indication of supporting the CCP. It's not bigotry to expose CCP supporters.

That's quite a leap, but still - even if they are CCP supporters, that doesn't automatically make them CCP members.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#103

Post by cassianoleal »

incomingpain wrote: post #77
cassianoleal wrote: post #5

The title of the video is "Police Called To Stop Filming During Piano Livestream". There are no indications that the people who (very wrongfully) approached them are members of the CCP. They may well be but there's nothing in the video supporting that.

I'll let you in on it. The probably fake police officer isn't why it's going viral. I've watched him for years, he's always pulling hilarious stunts, plus the music is awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH6-PVn8HVE The reason he's going viral is that those were high ranking CCP, lets say alleged intelligence operatives, operating in the UK. I don't think he knew it at the time of uploading the video.

> probably fake police officer

Impersonating a police officer is a crime. If you have any evidence that's occurring in the video, please get in touch with the Met Police.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#104

Post by ShaolinTrooper »

piva00 wrote: post #22
foverzar wrote: post #18

So, some asian-looking people asked the guy not to film them and the guy decided to be a loud dick about the whole thing, while almost assaulting one of the women. "CCP members threaten British public piano player", right. I get that some countries still don't have a legal requirement to blur people in the background (or at least when they asked you to), but this is a common courtesy and basic politeness every semi-p…

It was pretty evil of the Asian-looking guy shouting "DON'T TOUCH HER" "You're not of the same age". He was threatened and only escalated to be a dick about it after they were a dick to him. He is also quite well within his rights, trying to intimidate him to stop doing it is pretty fucking evil as well. Have we watched the same video?

If that Chinese dude were to do that here in Manila Philippines, he would get beat up real good. He's lucky to be in an good country and not some 3rd world country where their so-called "rights" are spat on by the public.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#105

Post by em-bee »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #101
em-bee wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

part of the reason is that german language still distinguishes between personal and formal adressing, whereas in english it is all "you". using a firstname is clearly informal, although i feel that in this video the addressing does not come across as informal or showing lack of respect, more like familiarity of some form that this policewoman somehow allowed. german/austrian culture is still very much about respect.…

Thanks for taking the time to provide an explanation. This also helps me contextualize some of the interpersonal friction I've had with Austrians as well. I'm very informal and American and consciously attempt to treat those around me as peers.

there is a related discussion on this topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39006092

as an austrian who has lived in the US for a few years and many other places in the world, i came to appreciate that style. the friendliness may be superficial with some people but it only takes a few interactions to find out, and, what is much more important, in many situations it doesn't even matter. when i am in a shop, i don't care if the staff are friendly deep down in their heart or only acting friendly because they want to sell something (well duh, it's a shop). shopping in the US is still more pleasant because i am guaranteed that people will be friendly (and if they are growling internally because i didn't buy anything, it's their problem not mine). in europe friendly people exist, but it's luck of the draw.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#106

Post by ShaolinTrooper »

I've watched the video again.

Brendan tried to get the Chinese woman to "dance" and made a remark that British girls are more fun which was really inappropriate and disrespectful when the Chinese woman respectfully disagreed to dance.

The Chinese woman then again respectfully requested to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me.

Brendan then again started to retaliate and did not respect the request which is by the way, not that hard to honor such a request. Brendan could've moved on and just played music after that but instead, he wanted to make a fuss about it and for me, it looked like he tried to escalate it.

The Chinese guy then comes in to explain in a very commanding voice because Brendan isn't listening and being dismissive of the whole thing. He explained clearly that they do not give consent on being included in the video because they are way in the background and Brendan had the camera point to the Chinese group in the background for the "dance" request.

The Chinese guy then sounds frustrated when his initial request was not even acknowledged by Brendan and was answered in retaliation by asking a question instead of respecting the request which should've been a fair request to begin with.

Brendan then escalates further by saying "We are not in Communist China" which was way out of line and very racist because in this conversation, their country of origin is irrelevant. They are just people asking not to be included in the video which by the way is used for profit. It's not a Chinese thing to not be included in any video by the way.

To me, Brendan / Dr. K was in the wrong in this one. He clearly did not listen and tried to be a dick about it making it all about "FREE SPEECH" when clearly it's not.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#107

Post by zzzqw12 »

foverzar wrote: post #71
Unbefleckt wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Timestamp of the almost-assault?

13:20. If I was that woman and some creepy dude was grabbing things from my hands, I'd surely kick the guy in the balls and call it self-defence. Don't grab women.

You will sure lose that self defense case lol.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#108

Post by zzzqw12 »

foverzar wrote: post #55
piva00 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was pretty evil of the Asian-looking guy shouting "DON'T TOUCH HER" "You're not of the same age". He was threatened and only escalated to be a dick about it after they were a dick to him. He is also quite well within his rights, trying to intimidate him to stop doing it is pretty fucking evil as well. Have we watched the same video?

> It was pretty evil of the Asian-looking guy shouting "DON'T TOUCH HER" "You're not of the same age". It was hysterical, but I don't see how is this evil, more like being protective. And it happened way past the point of conflict > He was threatened and only escalated to be a dick about it after they were a dick to him. How was he threatened? These people were barely speaking English, which the guy started mocking f…

1. They're in public. Recording is allowed and doesn't need your consent. If you don't want to be recorded, just leave or move away. 2. They ASKED to not be filmed on public and the answer they got was no but they decided to stay and continue to be filmed. The British guy is not obligated to be nice and when this happens just leave. 3. If the Asian guys really wanted to deescalate the situation, they would have left ages ago. They stayed because they think they are in the right to force the British guy to not flim them.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#109

Post by evolvevia »

foverzar wrote: post #60
hashtag-til wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the police doesn't have such rights to stop filming anyone. I guess we can imagine a CCP rando probably don't have more permission than police. Apart from that, it's sensible to understand if you're just background on somebody's recording in a public space and don't want to appear, just walk away.

> if you're just background on somebody's recording in a public space and don't want to appear, just walk away. He approached them first. They declined participating and in about 3 minutes one woman approached him back and asked not to put their faces on TV - that's when the whole fuss had started.

> He approached them first.

Watch the full livestream. The Chinese group approaches the piano first, and one woman even dances along to his playing.

Later a few more people join the Chinese group, one of which appears to be a producer as he's handing out scripts. The piano player approaches the Chinese group to say hi to the new members, and suddenly they have a problem with him filming.

The simplest explanation is the most likely - they're a Chinese TV crew who want to use the piano, but they don't have a commercial filming permit and/or UK working visas.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#110

Post by evolvevia »

ShaolinTrooper wrote: post #106

I've watched the video again. Brendan tried to get the Chinese woman to "dance" and made a remark that British girls are more fun which was really inappropriate and disrespectful when the Chinese woman respectfully disagreed to dance. The Chinese woman then again respectfully requested to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. Brendan then again started to retaliate and d…

> to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. > Brendan then again started to retaliate and did not respect the request which is by the way, not that hard to honor such a request.

It was a livestream - to stop recording means ending the stream, which he didn't want to do when there's thousands of viewers watching.

If the group didn't want to be filmed, they could have just..moved out of camera shot.

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