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Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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Re: Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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The point of disagreement here is probably with regards to our definitions of happiness. What you define as happiness, I see as just forms of temporary satisfaction or pleasure. In my opinion, I think happiness isn’t the goal since it’s temporary. Instead we should aim for equanimity which arises from the complete cessation of stress and doubt and is much harder to obtain but is longer lasting.

I would highly encourage* you to read Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse. I used to look at happiness and love also from a high pedestal point of view. As if I am more intellectual and these are mere temporary illusions. This book changed my point of view. Also, I live in the land of people living in love and harmony with Buddism being a strong presence all around (Nepal, Sikkim, etc.). I embraced life, love, bonding, frien…

A good read. If I had to sum it up, it would be: don't let the search for knowledge/happiness/wisdom get in the way of being able to experience it in the moment.

"It took me a long time and am not finished learning this yet, oh Govinda: that there is nothing to be learned! There is indeed no such thing, so I believe, as what we refer to as ‘learning’. There is, oh my friend, just one knowledge, this is everywhere, this is Atman, this is within me and within you and within every creature. And so I’m starting to believe that this knowledge has no worser enemy than the desire to know it, than learning.”

Re: Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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I'm not sure how this will resonate here, but this past year my interests in side projects sharply declined. For reference I am early 30s, married no kids. Up until now I used to work on 2-3 large side projects a year, diving deep into them obsessed with sleepless nights working. Now with LLMs it just feels kind of like whats the point? Either my work will be consumed by an LLM to train and get tossed aside or i shou…

I feel the same way. I follow the LLM/AI advancements very closely, and I find that motivating. However, the whole discussion seems to turn around long term replacement of all labor and absorption of business value into some big tech providing the AI infrastructure. I usually had two types of motivation, technical motivation to learn skills that would eventually be useful in my career and hacker motivation to build s…

> An LLM might be better than you at everything, but you would still enjoy your mediocre implementation, just because you did it. Maybe this is what it really means to be an artisan.

So true. One way to defeat determinism is to enjoy the process.

Re: Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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This is such an interesting thread and I feel I should share my story since it's on the other end of the spectrum. I had a poor relationship with work about a decade ago. I struggled with very bad health, both physical and mental. I went through a slow journey of recovery that made me unplug from work a lot. I traveled quite a bit, cheap backpacking. I invested in friendships, good food, and very simple life. In the…

I'm sorry, as I'm typing on mobile, my reply isn't the most structured. I want to add an important thing: since I unplugged from the money expectations in the last few years, I have been able to simply do nothing whenever I wanted to. Like literally just sit and stare. Or maybe play DotA 2. Hours of games... I have a privilege, I don't have much financial liability so I can unplug easily. But this is what allowed me…

Thank you for your response. I think I have been in a similar situation through a lot of ups and downs. And finally I am accepting simplicity. I am 26, software engineer. Typical 9 to 5 tech job. I would like to get to a stage where I am financially independent so that I can a. Read more books b. Build things that I care about.

Would love to connect with you to know more insights on how to reach there.

Re: Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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I recently realized everything else I'd ever worked on amounted to nothing, because I had never figured out how to be someone. (I was some thing to someone growing up, but someone who still doesn't know other people are also someones.) So I'm working on becoming someone. That's a combination of figuring out what things are just given in my life--that I am or I like or I want unprompted, naturally--and what things I c…

I think I am in a similar boat this year. I hope that we both enjoy the process, which leads to a fulfilling destination.

Re: Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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I believe that doing nothing, on purpose, especially for prolonged time (months, years), especially in solitude, is often _the_ most productive, highest leverage activity of all that an individual can be doing. The reason is that our subconscious is way more powerful than our conscious. The logical reasoning engine in our brain is really quite basic. Think a silly 8-bit console emulator running on an an actual modern piece of hardware (subconscious brain). And so relying on subconscious is somewhat like using hardware acceleration. The brain often knows better, but you cannot quite articulate what it is that needs to be done or why. And if you keep ignoring that signal, keep silencing it, keep forcing "doing the right thing" over what it's trying to tell you - that's a recipe for failure. You better listen. How? By doing nothing to the point of getting bored and looking how to "kill time". That's when your subconscious is finally heard. It keeps gently nudging you in the right direction without revealing the grander plan. Perhaps it doesn't have a plan; or perhaps it does but you're better off not knowing it. I also believe that procrastination is an acute case of the same. Your subconscious is screaming - hey human, this activity, this project, this job doesn't quite make sense. Again, you better listen. Otherwise you'll perhaps get more stuff done - but the wrong kind of stuff. Personally I'm looking back at my own timeline, and the gaps between jobs when I was up to nothing whatsoever as some of the most productive periods of my life. Not in a "I did X" way - more like, "I became more of what I want to be faster than at any other time".

Re: Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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It's not angst, it's real. Though I'm young, my work is international. I was separated from my girlfriend, apartment, coworkers, and entire livelihood in a different nation, at a position one could say I spent much of my life up to that point studying and working toward. My colleagues were separated from their families and children. Some lost their homes because they were let go from their jobs as a result. Some olde…

This pairs pretty well with my experience. (I'm a little older, late 20s/early 30s) I grew up in a upper-middle class income family, I was first entering high school when my parents were hit hard by the housing crisis in 2008. (Facebook also just started dominating during this time) Eventually the economy "recovered" just long enough for everyone to start telling us that we should sacrifice our 20s while we had the e…

Appreciate it, friend. I really do feel as though older generations than us do not understand or care about our situation at all. For example, look at how the first reply to me was gaslighting and seeking to minimize our situation. They do not even attempt to understand or care, because they already "got theirs". Yet they feel as though they need to chime in anyway, telling us that it's all in our head, or that we should bootstrap ourselves harder.

Yea, how can we do that when people become frozen within borders, deported, banned, restricted. We're supposed to take up arms and hijack a plane? Swim? Only to get arrested upon arrival? These older people are fucking high off their own golden years' supply.

And people who are confined to their own narrow, national locality, of nearly any age, especially do not understand.

Cheers.

Re: Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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I am currently doing nothing. I've spent several years recently writing various bits of open source software outside work, and trying to get a new search algorithm published in some journal. After several rejections, I stuck it on arXiv, but I think I'm done with it. I'm not particularly bothered by my lack of drive right now. Sometimes it's good to just enjoy life and kick back. I'm sure something else will come alo…

I am in the same boat. Had so many tries and like many others, all of them failed. I had some hard time during COVID as well, so I decided to rethink my path.

I was living in a racist place where I was discriminated, I tried my best to keep the boat afloat, but eventually burned myself and the boat.

Now I took a step back, moved to a new place, started learning a new language cause it is fun. I am basically living a simple life and working on recovering myself and (hopefully) getting ready for when the next opportunity comes in.

What I think is a bit different is that many people has lost hope completely, I still have some hope that life will give you another chance, I just need to be ready.

Re: Ask HN: Who else is working on nothing?

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I’ve always liked Viktor Frankl’s take on this: There is no meaning. But humans need meaning. Create your own! Absolutely anything will do as long as you find it meaningful. Just pick a goal/meaning and go for it. It’s okay to change what you find meaningful as you go through life.

This is why I freaking love the movie Blade Runner 2049. It resonated with me tremendously besides being a great movie. Give it a shot if you have not!
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