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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by KptMarchewa »

jzb wrote: post #257
junon wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Living in Germany, but I'm an american. Signed up for Crunchy Roll. Most the shows my friends are recommending are region locked. The remaining ones are mostly German-dubbed only, with no subtitles. Most don't have original Japanese either. Only a handful I want to watch actually have subs or English dubs. It's not like I don't want to pay for this stuff but when it's a huge conditional tree of if I'm going to have a…

Wouldn't a VPN solve this for you?

What's the difference with pirating then? I do pirate when media owners go to great length to make consuming it legally very hard.

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Post by oldtownroad »

1shooner wrote: post #399
oldtownroad wrote: post #386

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People say this but don’t understand the reason artists don’t make much per-listener on Spotify etc. is because of their record deals, it’s nothing to do with Spotify. If you’re an independent artist you can live comfortably off of a small Spotify audience! The stories you hear about an artist getting pennies on millions of listens are because of their record deals and the credits on their work. You can’t solve this…

>If you’re an independent artist you can live comfortably off of a small Spotify audience! Didn't Spotify recently stop paying any royalties for tracks with less than 1k streams?

I mean small relative to big artists, not small in absolute numbers. If you have less than 1k streams you probably have less than 50 listeners which is basically nothing.

A (relatively) small audience would be made up of tens of thousands of listeners generating millions of streams. There are many, many independent artists that fall into this group.

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Post by acheron »

jjulius wrote: post #263
redserk wrote: post #262

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Add in college debt payments, maybe a car payment, maybe you just graduated and need to furnish at least part of an apartment (even with roommates), maybe having to help pay down parents medical bills or whatever because you're the first to break out of very low income employment... $70k isn't a magical feel-good-be-happy number for everyone, especially in HCOL+ areas. I don't think this was your intent, but your com…

>... especially in HCOL+ areas. Right? NYC and the Bay Area would like a word...

Yeah, and add in when you have to buy the new BMW, and have to go on international vacations every year, and that salary looks even smaller!

Or you could buy a used Honda instead, go somewhere cheaper for vacation, and not live in the most expensive area in the country. All those are voluntary consumption.

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Post by swozey »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #311
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Why pay when I can access content for free? YouTube pays some cents to music labels, I can listen to music for free on YouTube and I can block ads. The only purchases I make are to reward creators, often only after I've enjoyed the goods. Copyright is highly immoral as I never got into any contract with anyone and yet I'm supposedly a criminal because I download pirated content. Whoever is sharing copyrighted content…

Because if everyone did what you did, the artists wouldn't make any money. And a lot of people already to pirate. I couldn't tell you what percentage of people pirate vs stream but at what point does the scale tip to the other side where piracy is actually causing a hugely negative affect to the artists income?

You, and we, don't know if you're the 10,000th or the 100,000,000th pirate of whatever you pirate.

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

gtirloni wrote: post #365
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #313

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It's not about saving a few bucks, it's about taking responsibility for the consequences of your spending. If $1 out of $10 goes to supporting the artist and the other $9 goes towards stripping users of the ability to control their own devices, or towards other zero/negative sum games being played by the platform in the spirit of moat building, then paying for content through normal channels is doing more harm than g…

> If there was a way to configure my players to fingerprint the content and send money to the artist as I play it There isn't. I fail to see how piracy helps artists today.

It drives movie and concert ticket sales. It could do more and we should fix that.

Do you also fail to see how investment in technology that prevents certain groups from getting certain information harms everyone tomorrow? It's not like they'd have retool completely if they pivoted from censoring Finding Nemo because you're the wrong kind of customer to censoring political dissent because you're the wrong kind of citizen. The tech from the former can be reused in the latter and there's more money in the latter.

That pivot hasn't happened yet because the DRM hooks aren't in deeply enough. People would work around it. Piracy helps because it creates a space for us to fight back against that sort of thing. It keeps the set of people who can circumvent censorship large and it keeps them in practice.

At the end of the day, protecting an artist paycheck is just not as important as protecting user freedom. We can have both, but paying the streaming platforms and hoping they spend that money wisely is not the way to get there.

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Post by mock-possum »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #266
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

It's not about money, it's about freedom and independence. I don't want to lose access to my music and videos because some company decided to apply current idiotic understanding of morals or because of some temporary SJW craze. I don't want them to profile and spy on my tastes and preferences and then sell all of this information about me to any idiot out there with money. I don't want to rely on unstable internet co…

> some temporary SJW craze

Sorry what?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by shunyaekam »

As an aside, I think YouTube Music is superior to Spotify in terms of music catalog.

You get "everything on Spotify" (high quality audio) plus the YouTube videos (eg mixes that are put up) in a battery-friendy player (possibility to go audio only on these videos). Of course minimizable with YT Premium.

I believe that the discoverability algo is much better with YouTube Music as well, which is important to me...

I pay ~$15/month (in my local currency) for YouTube Premium which also gives me the ad-free experience on YouTube.

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Post by hedora »

jstummbillig wrote: post #270
hedora wrote: post #238

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$0. 13,400 bands (not artists) got paid over $50K by spotify in 2020: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/how-many-artists-are-... There are 8 million artists on spotify, and over 80% had under fifty monthly listeners: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/over-75-of-artists-on... Put another way, 0.16% made over $50K. That's median income in the US. If you assume the money gets split across 5 band members, that'…

This will also roughly be true for Bandcamp (albeit for each commercially failed band there's at least 3 friends and a mom, who will buy something off of the store and at a show, once when given the chance but I hope no one is cynical enough to argue about that being a lot better than $0). The fact that every creative endeavour or sport is a mix of a few pros and a lot of amateurs (in the sense that they do not make…

They don't break down the distribution of how many artists got paid at all, but it looks like they're probably close to the estimated 15K bands that got non-trivial payments from Spotify this year:

https://bandcamp.com/about

> In the past year alone, they’ve spent $194 million on 14.2 million digital albums, 10.4 million tracks, 1.75 million vinyl records, 800,000 CDs, 350,000 cassettes, and 50,000 t-shirts.

Note that $194M is less than 10% of Spotify's revenue.

I'd love to see a breakdown by percentile income per band, but one thing's clear: If I buy something there, then more of my money goes to the artist I'm trying to support than they get from me streaming their album.

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Post by saintfire »

mock-possum wrote: post #372
mort96 wrote: post #335

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When I pirate, it's sometimes based on convenience or quality (where else can I download DRM-free blu-ray quality movies? Or a band's discography lossless?), but other times, it's certainly about money. For example, I don't use FL studio anywhere near enough to warrant paying for it (I have literally just opened it a couple of times to play with it), but paying for a license would have been less work than pirating it…

$250 for Windows?? You’re off by an order of magnitude, just buy it from a reseller: g2a.com/search?query=Windows I’ve never had a problem with that site.

It used to be the case that they were all keys that aren't technically allowed to be resold per their agreement. Either OEM or business copies and the like.

So really we're back to some form of piracy because Windows is too expensive.

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