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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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"bandwidth from a multibillion, multinational corporation" that started out as a frontend for the pirate bay. They were probably friends, as both are from Sweden.

So they started out pirating music and then decided they want to get rich from stolen culture while giving nothing back. That is taking the whole pirate meme a bit too literally.

"If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing"

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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"It is still recommended to support the creators by watching/liking/subscribing to the artists' YouTube channels or liking their tracks on Spotify (or purchasing a Spotify Premium subscription too)." I hope musicians can pay bills with likes, since ponying up €10.99 is a huge ask. PS: not that many musicians are able to pay bills with their spotify checks, but that's not the point.

It is the musician’s job to figure out how to pay his bills not mine.

and it's your job to figure out how to entertain yourself, you're not entitled to get that entertainment from music for free.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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What is more hacker than bypassing rules and paid services? What was phreaking all about?

I think there's a difference between hacking for fun and feeling entitled to and arguing with weak arguments how you should be able to play music for free. This entire thread has absolutely nothing to do with e.g. telling how Spotify can be hacked and everything to do with script kiddies at best wanting to download a binary from GitHub to listen to music for free. But sure, maybe HN is that sad distribution mechanism…

> I think there's a difference between hacking for fun and feeling entitled to and arguing with weak arguments how you should be able to play music for free.

I don't think people want only to play music for free. I don't. But for sure this new definition of "what hacking is" is for sure annoying.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

>> I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why shouldn't they?

The way ruthless capitalism works in today's age, the software writer barely gets peanuts, bulk is taken away by the management, CEO and shareholders.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating.

I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to watch a certain TV show on my device. Oops, my device was out of date so I couldn't download the app. No problems, I'll update it. Oops, my account is set to an overseas address so I can't download the app. No problems, I'll change my account settings. Oops, the app won't log in because my DNS blocks ads. No problems, I'll add a bypass for this app. Oops, the app sucks and crashes when I navigate through the catalog too quickly. No problems, I'll make my search more specific. Oops, the buffering speed is horrendous and scrubbing through the video crashes the app.

Guess what I did? Uninstalled the app and searched for a pirated version of the TV show. A minute later it was streaming fine on my device.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

>> I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why shouldn't they? The way ruthless capitalism works in today's age, the software writer barely gets peanuts, bulk is taken away by the management, CEO and shareholders.

I agree with the sentiment, but let's not pretend that software writers are victims of capitalism. Based on the reward/effort ratio, software devs are one of the most privileged groups that have ever existed.

You can make more money writing javascript that you learned on udemy and youtube than a firefighter or a doctor. It is absurd.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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It should probably be said that the cuts artists get from the streamers are seen as insufficient and that platforms where you give more directly to artists, like BandCamp, are a better way to support artists you like.

Also: choose a platform that pays artists more. Apple and tidal pay out much more per stream than YouTube/spotify. But any form of paying is much much much better than piracy.

I liked the good ol' days when you could buy an LP/CD album and know that you'll have access to the music without depending on subscription services keeping them available.

I'm particularly annoyed by Spotify only keeping 'Remastered' versions of tracks that sound smooth/full/pleasing to new-time listeners but shave a lot of character off the original.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

“ It is still recommended to support the creators by watching/liking/subscribing to the artists' YouTube channels or liking their tracks on Spotify (or purchasing a Spotify Premium subscription too)” Likes/subscribes are not support. Artists deserve to make a living. I’m supremely frustrated by the current state of TV shows (need 8 subscriptions and still have shows I can’t watch). Music on the other hand is wonderfu…

If you only listen to music that is on streaming services, then of course you would think that they have "basically all music", since everything else is forgotten. I pirated music before Spotify was available, which exposed me to a wide variety of international artists, and I still periodically look up some of my favorites on streaming services, only to find that they are still absent. So I continue to pirate and buy albums from time to time.

Buying used records or borrowing them from the library does not earn artists money either, but no one bitches about that. As far as I'm concerned, downloading rips is the digital equivalent.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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> Starting in early 2024, tracks must have reached at least 1,000 streams in the previous 12 months in order to generate recorded royalties. This will take my Spotify income from pitiful to non-existent. Fuck Spotify.

As soon as this change was announced, I cancelled my Spotify subscription. I know it won’t mean much of anything to the overall number but at least in my case, they saved less than $10 in royalties at a cost of $132 in subscription fees.

I tested getting off spotify last year, but the other apps were so bare bones and featureless. I tried most of the popular ones, Quboz, Tidal, Spotify, Apple music, youtube music, amazon music.. i think 1-2 others. Thankfully there's an app called soundiiz that for like $2-3 will sync all of your music app playlists/favs/etc to one another.

ALL of them had absolutely useless/bad Android Auto/Carplay apps. I know at least half of them (quboz tidal for sure) didn't have a way to search in the car app. Quboz or Tidal didn't even display your subscribed albums/playlists. I forget exactly but I think I could only play their recommended stuff. Exacts are off here but I remember specifically sitting in my car with both of those apps wondering why I couldn't figure how to play my fav playlist or search for an artist.

Then the social stuff. I share collab playlists with a few friends. Apples adding these feautures IIRC. Surely not important to most people but they really make the other apps just feel barebones. I like gamification, rewinds, badges, etc.

The Carplay thing is the killer for me, though.

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