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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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I don't understand and can't accept why crimes committed while drunk get you a lesser punishment than a crime committed while sober.

Except for drunk driving which specifically requires evidence of inebriation, other crimes committed while drunk or drugged are very rarely treated differently any longer. It was true in the past that it could be used as a defense, but juries and judges no longer buy it and it generally won't get you anywhere at all in 2024. Source: I play a lawyer on TV.

> Except for drunk driving which specifically requires evidence of inebriation, other crimes committed while drunk or drugged are very rarely treated differently any longer

Well I would hope drunk driving while drunk would be treated differently than drunk driving while sober.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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How does he end up imprisoned 4 years longer than his sentencing indicated?

"15 Years _to life_"

it's a form that we non-Americans are not used to

the parole is not the same in each country :)

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Only if you believe in evil. I'm not christian so I don't see the world like that. He killed his s/o, like what 15 years ago now? People change and deserves a second chance.

If you’re not religious, what’s the basis for saying anyone “deserves” anything? If he’s just meat, then he’s clearly a defective model. Just take him out. How is society better with him alive?

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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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> He was not mean, evil, or a bully or anything He killed his childrens mother. If those words have any meaning it was mean and evil.

He freaked out in the midst of an acrimonious custody battle. I don’t know if you know or have been close to anyone who has gotten divorced; but people can stop thinking straight when their kids are involved. This guy is what a mean bully looks like.[1] Crossed paths with him when we were kids and I am not at all surprised he ended up where he did. 1. https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2005/February/05_crm_...

Does it matter? Going through a divorce and freaking out doesn’t explain or justify murder.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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The contents of the letter are interesting in their own right, but there are 2 aspects that strike me as particularly interesting. First off, he doesn't seem to regret killing his wife, more the consequences of his crime. He doesn't mention her by name or say that she didn't deserve it. Secondly, the person he's corresponding with, Fredrick Brennan is fascinating in his own right. He's one of the 3 central characters…

> QAnon I have never heard of, seen or even got wind of a "QAnon" member, group, theory, website or whatever they say it is outside of mainstream news. According to them it's some huge group of evil people but I can't tell myself that they're a real thing. If anyone has any real world, personal experience I would love to hear it.

I know firsthand people with family members who got totally wrapped up in QAnon. I also have a neighbor who has QAnon stickers all over their cars.

I'm sure it's not as huge a phenomenon as some claim, but it's definitely real.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Of course! Who doesn’t decide that they would rather sleep in a car the moment their significant other goes missing? It’s just to get away from the press and the house where you had all those memories! And of course you’ll start researching crime scene analysis and cleaning methods right after she goes missing as well, because you know you’re the number one suspect, and you just want to help find the guy that did thi…

> Of course! Who doesn’t decide that they would rather sleep in a car the moment their significant other goes missing? It’s just to get away from the press and the house where you had all those memories! Well, this depends a lot on what kind of people you spend your time with. I know at least two people in my circles (let me put it this way: they both slightly schizophrenic traits) about whom I would not be surprised…

> Well, this depends a lot on what kind of people you spend your time with. I know at least two people in my circles (let me put it this way: they both slightly schizophrenic traits) about whom I would not be surprised if they came up with such ideas.

That argument is self contradictory since you justify their behavior by invoking their specific and out of ordinary mental traits, which reinforces the idea that removing a passenger seat car to sleep directly on the floor is not reasonable, normal or expected.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Hans Reiser was convicted of first degree murder. It was premeditated, not a crime of passion. He ruthlessly planned it and executed the murder of his wife. Only because of a plea deal was he sentenced to a second degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_United_States_law#De... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser The article also says that he wasn't diagnosed as autistic. It's interesting seeing how eage…

Read the details of the case. Did they diagnose people with high functioning autism back in the 60s and 70s? Was Asperger’s even refinished as a thing back then? I don’t know for sure that he got a diagnosis. But was pretty obvious to all in the neighborhood in retrospect. Anyway, I shared my perspective as someone who was a little closer to the whole episode than most. Perhaps there are some details in there that di…

Diagnosed Aspie here. No, they did not diagnose high functioning autism back then, at least in English speaking countries. The first English translation of Dr Asperger's research appeared in the 80s. That's when they first coined the terms "Asperger syndrome", "autism spectrum", etc. These didn't become mainstream ideas until the 90s.

It should also be noted that Asperger syndrome as a diagnosis was removed from the DSM in 2013, and Asperger himself has fallen out of favor with the autistic community in recent years due to his connections to the Nazi eugenics regime.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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> There are literally thousands of examples throughout history of smaller ethnic groups that were completely wiped out by their bigger and more aggressive neighbors. Exactly. Figting and killing didn't help them in any way. > Do you think these small groups were provoking their neighbors? Why? Did they all have a death wish? The wrong decision in that case was deciding to be separate from their neighbors despite the…

Edit: Reading your comments again, it does look like you are a pacifist? > I think it's ok to take life if it's your own life or help someone to take their own if there are good reasons for it. I read this as you think it is never OK to take a life in self defence, even if that means that tens of millions will be exterminated? If so, you can disregard the rest: > Figting and killing didn't help them in any way. There…

I guess you could say that my views align with views of absolute pacifists at least when it comes to moral evaluation of war related activities.

However I arrived at it independently from two beliefs I hold. First, that killing is innately evil. The other one is that I believe that the idea that good and evil are somehow additive and can cancel each other out is worth of people from two thousand years ago. This simplistic view of things that are core of any morality was (and is) propagated by major religions for the purpose of getting away with evil. Religiously fossilized perception of good/evil as a single axis is far behind current cultural development of humanity.

More accurate perception, I believe, is to see good and evil as orthogonal. To be considered independently. To be rewarded and punished separately and accordingly.

> I read this as you think it is never OK to take a life in self defence, even if that means that tens of millions will be exterminated?

It's good to save millions. It's evil to take life. If you managed to save millions without taking a life you are purely good. Way better than a person who saved millions but killed someone.

A billion people owe their entire existence to Norman Borlaug. Would you be willing to absolve him of guilt if he intentionality killed 100 people during his research?

I assume not. Why should fighting be considered different?

> There are also many examples of much smaller ethnic groups who avoided complete extermination because they had a very competent army.

Does some specific case come to your mind?

> Do you strive to make logically sound arguments, or is that not important?

I agree that logic is important and I would like to have reasoned beliefs (apart from things I take as axioms, like killing is evil, less suffering is good).

> Maybe you think that Germany didn't plan to exterminate all poles. Ok, let's just pretend that's the case.

We don't need to pretend. We know that they didn't. Slavs were destined to be subservient workers in their plans. Many ethnic Poles died in death camps, second only to Jews. The main purposes was to terrorize populace (to achieve control), reduce number of Poles (to make lebensraum for Germans) and eliminate Polish elite (that was deemed counterproductive to the idea of turning Poles into workers). All in all terrible, far end of the evil axis. But completely unpreventable by attempting to kill Germans. I could argue that some lives might have been saved if Germans believed they already have full control so that terrorizing is unnecessary.

Poland has a history of armed resistance and uprisings that almost all failed. Again, compare to how much suffering was inflicted on countries that didn't resist this much. Poland was leveled.

> you're at the same time advocating handing over the 3 million Polish jews to Germany without a fight

And you are advocating handing them out with a fight. Result is the same. Just more people dead.

The correct action is to evade, hide, run, bargain. Fighting is in almost all cases the worst possible idea even from purely utilitarian standpoint. And for the cases it somehow succeeds it still doesn't mean it's only good in a moral sense. When it's effects ar deaths and destruction it is also evil.

> During the 1930's, Stalin sent out his underlings with orders to kill a certain quota in given area. The quotas were in the hundreds of thousands.

I think Russian would be way worse than Germans. Then again Eastern Europe was effectively given away to Stalin unconditionally and most survived, no thanks to attempts at armed resistance. Just by waiting out till those idiots run out of steam.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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I think murder has an exceptionally low recidivism rate mainly because if you do get out of prison after serving your time you probably don't want to do it again, and you might never be put in a situation where you need to do it again.

I wonder if it's just that people are old by the time they get out.

That too. People over 55 are classified as "elderly" in the federal prison system. The crime rate of those over 35 is significantly lower than those under.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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I don't understand and can't accept why crimes committed while drunk get you a lesser punishment than a crime committed while sober.

So, this is a reasonable thing to be confused and frustrated about. It's worth remembering that the underlying philosophy of justice, crime, and punishment isn't actually something a society agrees upon. Ask five different people a question about the law, the courts, or the prisons and you'll get five different answers. And the system we get out of that is a hodgepodge of extremely path dependent features based upon…

This is a very thoughtful and insightful post. This is what makes HN a really enjoyable place. Thanks for spending your time on writing things like this, and if you have a blog or something, I’d enjoy reading it!
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