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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by skissane »

shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #386
skissane wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The English words for good and evil are pre-Christian in origin. So are their cognates in other European languages. Greek philosophers were debating “good and evil” centuries before Jesus of Nazareth was born. So there is nothing inherently Christian about those words, or the concepts they describe.

You are correct, but you are also ignoring the fact that we are no longer living in ancient greek time. I did not claim that Christianity invented good & evil. I claimed that it is a central concept in Christianity. Your way of reasoning here is often referred to as a straw mans argument.

> You are correct, but you are also ignoring the fact that we are no longer living in ancient greek time.

Even today, people still read and are influenced by Plato and Aristotle.

> I did not claim that Christianity invented good & evil. I claimed that it is a central concept in Christianity.

You claimed you don’t believe in evil because you are not a Christian. Not being a Christian and not believing in evil have little connection with each other, given billions of non-Christians believe in evil.

> Your way of reasoning here is often referred to as a straw mans argument.

You argument was too unclear to strawman.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by therealcamino »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #355
johnchristopher wrote: post #322

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> I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) Do you dig it ? A car floor is not fucking flat. That's why it's suspicious to remove the passe…

One could imagine being in the process of installing a flat surface after removing the car seat.

One could imagine a lot of counterfactual things! But that doesn't make them true or plausible. Do people really think it's worthwhile to argue, after he led police to the body, that removing the seat was a camping project? What is the point you are trying to make?

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jonathankoren »

tabataga wrote: post #360
jonathankoren wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) I think it was my first experience with absolute egregious fanboism.

The fanboys spilled over to HN as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=176098 They were even at it after Reiser led police to his wife's body: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=240814 Best comment on that thread, calling out their ridiculous takes: > I gotta say it: the guy was a f-cking murderer and yet you guys are arguing about whether he got a fair trial, even after he led the cops to the strangled, deco…

Nah man. The best is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=241000

Hans Reiser gives a jailhouse interview to Salon, and when he comes off as unremosrseful murderer, the peanut gallery says:

> I find it to be just another case of math envy, the imbecile KNOWS that he could never in a million years achieve 1% of what Reiser has achieved, however Reiser is now a convicted murderer, thus the idiot can now feel better about himself, and hurl contempt and scorn on Reiser.

Like anyone gives a shit about some computer filesystem.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by pfisherman »

bazoom42 wrote: post #418
pfisherman wrote: post #401

I grew up down the street from Hans. I did not know him well, as he was the age of my older brother. I remember they worked on a couple of teenage electrical engineering projects together. Some of the filtered down to me. Hans was autistic and had the mind blindness thing going on, which sometimes made social interaction difficult for him. I think that most of my family did not want to believe that he killed his wife…

> He was not mean, evil, or a bully or anything He killed his childrens mother. If those words have any meaning it was mean and evil.

He freaked out in the midst of an acrimonious custody battle. I don’t know if you know or have been close to anyone who has gotten divorced; but people can stop thinking straight when their kids are involved.

This guy is what a mean bully looks like.[1] Crossed paths with him when we were kids and I am not at all surprised he ended up where he did.

1. https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2005/February/05_crm_...

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by pfisherman »

hitekker wrote: post #417
pfisherman wrote: post #401

I grew up down the street from Hans. I did not know him well, as he was the age of my older brother. I remember they worked on a couple of teenage electrical engineering projects together. Some of the filtered down to me. Hans was autistic and had the mind blindness thing going on, which sometimes made social interaction difficult for him. I think that most of my family did not want to believe that he killed his wife…

Hans Reiser was convicted of first degree murder. It was premeditated, not a crime of passion. He ruthlessly planned it and executed the murder of his wife. Only because of a plea deal was he sentenced to a second degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_United_States_law#De... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser The article also says that he wasn't diagnosed as autistic. It's interesting seeing how eage…

Read the details of the case.

Did they diagnose people with high functioning autism back in the 60s and 70s? Was Asperger’s even refinished as a thing back then? I don’t know for sure that he got a diagnosis. But was pretty obvious to all in the neighborhood in retrospect.

Anyway, I shared my perspective as someone who was a little closer to the whole episode than most. Perhaps there are some details in there that did not make the Wikipedia page. You are free to discount it or not. Ain’t a thang to me.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by [deleted] »

pfisherman wrote: post #426
hitekker wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hans Reiser was convicted of first degree murder. It was premeditated, not a crime of passion. He ruthlessly planned it and executed the murder of his wife. Only because of a plea deal was he sentenced to a second degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_United_States_law#De... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser The article also says that he wasn't diagnosed as autistic. It's interesting seeing how eage…

Read the details of the case. Did they diagnose people with high functioning autism back in the 60s and 70s? Was Asperger’s even refinished as a thing back then? I don’t know for sure that he got a diagnosis. But was pretty obvious to all in the neighborhood in retrospect. Anyway, I shared my perspective as someone who was a little closer to the whole episode than most. Perhaps there are some details in there that di…

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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by qingcharles »

mariusor wrote: post #2

I don't know if ending another human's life leaves any possibility of redemption for a person, but reading this I still empathize with the sense of loss and powerlessness that emanate from this letter.

I spent 10 years in jail. For a large part of that I socialized mainly with those who had committed murder. Some had committed more than one.

Most of the murderers I met are some of the nicest people I ever met (if you can temporarily disregard their crime). People are not defined by their worst mistake.

I am in very regular contact with many of them as they work their way through the system. Some of them have life sentences without parole, which is a hard pill to swallow.

I think my autobiography will be titled "All my friends are murderers."

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by qingcharles »

ako wrote: post #319
ryandvm wrote: post #194

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Of course - this entire thread is nothing but speculation. That said, the premeditated murder of someone, let alone your wife and children's mother, is not something that the average person is capable of. It is entirely different than the crimes one may commit out of rage, fear, or passion (i.e. when your amygdala is driving). I don't believe in capital punishment or lesser forms of punitive justice, but I have a har…

The letter reads like Reiser thinks the firmware bug is fixable, and it’s more a case of nurture over nature. Don’t know if that’s true, but it’s not unthinkable.

I think murder has an exceptionally low recidivism rate mainly because if you do get out of prison after serving your time you probably don't want to do it again, and you might never be put in a situation where you need to do it again.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by qingcharles »

TomK32 wrote: post #48
themerone wrote: post #20

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Drunk driving is a stupid thing people do. Murder is an act of evil.

I don't understand and can't accept why crimes committed while drunk get you a lesser punishment than a crime committed while sober.

Except for drunk driving which specifically requires evidence of inebriation, other crimes committed while drunk or drugged are very rarely treated differently any longer.

It was true in the past that it could be used as a defense, but juries and judges no longer buy it and it generally won't get you anywhere at all in 2024.

Source: I play a lawyer on TV.

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