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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by dagmx »

safeimp wrote: post #245
gabea wrote: post #38

Apple says the Vision's device weight is 600–650 grams and Meta says its Quest 3 is 515 grams. The Vision is between 85-135 grams heavier despite there not being a battery on the part that you wear. Anecdotally and in my experience, there have been many complaints about fatigue for the Quest, and I wonder if Apple will be able to get away with more premium materials in the future versions. It seems like there will be…

The additional weight comes from the front display. The reports regarding fatigue are consistently related to users wearing only the band, when they add the additional strap that goes directly over the head it's fine. Typical Apple leading with form over function. It ships with the additional strap at least so that should alleviate it for most people. Quest 3 has a similar additional band which helps as well.

I don’t know why people think an oled display is heavy. There’s a ton of other heavier components to the point where that front display is likely insignificant.

Things like active cooling, multiple camera arrays, motorized IPD adjustment.

I bet when iFixIt does a tear down, the front display will be shown to be negligible.

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Post by zamalek »

ninkendo wrote: post #257
reustle wrote: post #218

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My guess is that the primary goal would be balance front to back, assuming you use their stronger over-head strap. Then it shouldn’t be pulling you forward.

There doesn’t seem to be anything balancing the weight on the vision pro, the weight appears to be all in the front. You’re going to be feeling torque rotating your head forward about the axis of your neck, regardless of how good the strap is.

The mounting/straps can make a huge difference, e.g. the strap going over the top of the head was a game-changer for me. It obviously can't fix everything, though.

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Post by dpkonofa »

blensor wrote: post #284
dpkonofa wrote: post #282

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I think you’d get downvoted for not contributing anything and it would have nothing to do with these supposed “fanboys”. You made a claim with no evidence to support it that was so general it might as well be meaningless and then added some preemptive persecution. If I could downvote your comment, I sure would.

By all means, go ahead if that's your opinion. I did my best to upvote the comments to balance it out. You can look them up yourself, they were from astrange, LeoPanthera, sytelus, mdgrech23 and my own further down below And BTW, my own was just a plain response about how quickly it sold out, no judgement, hyping or hating on it.

I can't. HN won't let you downvote children of your own comments.

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Post by ajdude »

cassianoleal wrote: post #255
jksflkjl3jk3 wrote: post #60

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XReal Air are pretty good for that purpose. I can just plug them into my laptop or any phone that supports DisplayPort over USB-C and mirror my full screen. The clarity is good enough for dev work, but my eyes feel a little strained after a few hours of use. I'm curious whether Apple's product will be more comfortable for longer use.

I coded on one of them. It was ok for a short period. The blurriness and ghosting, especially on the corners and edges made it pretty tiring after a while. They're great for watching videos, movies, TV, etc. though!

their nebula app (works on Mac and in beta for windows) has helped a lot with blurriness.

I also am nearsighted, and once I got prescription lenses for my xreal air it was like a whole new set of glasses!

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Post by ajdude »

plagiarist wrote: post #111
jksflkjl3jk3 wrote: post #60

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XReal Air are pretty good for that purpose. I can just plug them into my laptop or any phone that supports DisplayPort over USB-C and mirror my full screen. The clarity is good enough for dev work, but my eyes feel a little strained after a few hours of use. I'm curious whether Apple's product will be more comfortable for longer use.

I was considering those. Is there some sort of accelerometer in there so the screen moves in your field of vision as you turn your head, or does it just kinda float there? I haven't been able to understand that from their product pages.

On my Mac I can set up three monitors in the xreal air using their "nebula" software, you need the beam. They also have a beta version of nebula for windows might also have it on Linux.

It's three 1080 P screens, one in front of me, and one to either side of me. And yes, they "stand still" when I move my head to between them

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Post by dpkonofa »

rchaud wrote: post #216
chomp wrote: post #67

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Haha you’re not lying https://m.slashdot.org/story/133608 > Since the iPad's initial introduction back in January, many of us still wonder why we should drop hundreds of dollars for what is termed as a large iPod.

And Apple handled that with product placement. An episode of the hit sitcom Modern Family was centred entirely around a character's obssession with buying the iPad on Day 1. "Game Changer, Season 1, Episode 19, aired March 31, 2010" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Changer_(Modern_Family)

Your link states that Apple didn't pay for the product placement in the episode. It was the writers' idea.

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Post by dpkonofa »

plagiarist wrote: post #61
tiffanyh wrote: post #36

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> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

"iPad? Why did they name it after a tampon hahahaha never getting one of those. Similarly priced laptops are more powerful and have a keyboard." TBF the early models weren't as good and didn't have the keyboard and Apple Pencil of today.

Isn't that the rub, though? The majority of iPad users don't use the keyboards or Pencils. They're just using the iPad. That's exactly why the original was so successful.

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Post by brailsafe »

al_borland wrote: post #277
brailsafe wrote: post #271

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I was definitely in the former camp, and eventually bought one because other people seemed to like it, and so took it more seriously as a product. But.. it was after buying it that I realized the emperor didn't really have any clothes, and it was either mostly an expensive status symbol for people who couldn't care less about the money, or a device with just a few specific and very useful purposes. My grandpa uses it…

I can agree with a lot of this, depending on the user. I’m pretty similar to you. I got it and used it, because it was new and novel, but over time the usage faded. I tried going back to the iPad mini, since I liked that form factor best, but it’s sitting a few feet from me, powered off, and hasn’t been used in months. My dad on the other hand, who is one of the people who bought and iPad after seeing mine, uses it a…

Ya I'd agree with those points. People who put iPad pros to good use either don't have any other significant general requirements, or the few things they use it for are either consumption or illustration, where touch, a big screen, and no complexity are the selling factors.

I'm not personally producing intricate illustrations, but I know a tiny number of people who do, and I don't think it's occures to them they'd need anything but that and their phone.

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Post by sircastor »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #125
latexr wrote: post #99

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> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. What I remember is everyone making fun of it, including the name¹, for being “just a big iPod Touch”. Similarly, the iPhone wasn’t taken all that seriously² on launch. The App Store wasn’t even an idea yet, let alone a reality. That is to say this always happens: people dis…

It's not like the criticisms for the iPhone were wrong. The iPhone launched at what would in today's prices be about $2000. ($700 is $1000 today, plus you had to sign a contract that would otherwise have given you a "free" phone worth a similar amount). Plus it didn't have an app store. Both of those would have prevented the iPhone's success, but both were very quickly corrected. The 2007 iPhone was a limited niche p…

By that same merit, it’s worth noting that the Apple II in today’s prices was nearly $6300. And the VisionPro is almost undoubtedly going to premier more mature than either the iPhone or the Apple II.

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Post by beautifulfreak »

tiffanyh wrote: post #36
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

The iPad Death Watch is pretty funny: http://aaplinvestors.net/stats/ipad/ipaddeathwatch/
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