All the PO lawyers rewriting witness statements must go to jail. All the prosecutors must go to jail for negligence and malpractice.
Odd that so often here on HN we talk about how prisons don't work, don't deter crime, don't rehabilitate... yet whenever some CEO or high level official is caught in malfeasance, we insist that "sending them to jail" is the only proper response.
Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Odd that so often here on HN we talk about how prisons don't work, don't deter crime, don't rehabilitate... yet whenever some CEO or high level official is caught in malfeasance, we insist that "sending them to jail" is the only proper response.
Like an attorney getting a speeding ticket, sometimes you have to rub a high-level official's face in some dirt to humble them and change institutional policy. America has weird leadership fetishes. Captains are supposed to go down with the ship but in times of crisis the President abandons us all to run away on his.
That’s… not that weird when you think about it. The ‘Going down with the ship’ cliche exists because the ship and crew are main responsibility of the Captain. His responsibility and power do not extend Nation-wide. In a time of crises the last thing you need is your head of state throwing their life away, because then you also have to worry about matters of succession on top of the pre-existing crisis.
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#33How does this scandal keep getting worse and worse when the only thing to cover up is a contract for some poorly written software?
At this point I'm starting to suspect some underlying malfeasance yet to be discovered.
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#34All the PO lawyers rewriting witness statements must go to jail. All the prosecutors must go to jail for negligence and malpractice.
Odd that so often here on HN we talk about how prisons don't work, don't deter crime, don't rehabilitate... yet whenever some CEO or high level official is caught in malfeasance, we insist that "sending them to jail" is the only proper response.
Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Odd that so often here on HN we talk about how prisons don't work, don't deter crime, don't rehabilitate... yet whenever some CEO or high level official is caught in malfeasance, we insist that "sending them to jail" is the only proper response.
i'd posit that you're jumping to a conclusion. we've never actually tried prosecuting/convicting/incarcerating CEOs or other high level officials, so we don't know what the deterrent on that would actually be. we need to run the experiments through to the end to see.
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#36Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"
#37Bugs are inevitable. The real issue is with the post office management that prosecuted people they knew there was a good chance were innocent, withheld evidence, falsified evidence, and harassed journalists investigating. What really bothers me is that the CEO of the Organisation at the time was also a Christian priest/deacon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Vennells > witness statements from Fujitsu staff due to…
> What really bothers me is that the CEO of the Organisation at the time was also a Christian priest/deacon lol, in my experience... well, let me not finish that sentence
Or any other way of signaling their self-proported ethics.
Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"
#38Bugs are inevitable. The real issue is with the post office management that prosecuted people they knew there was a good chance were innocent, withheld evidence, falsified evidence, and harassed journalists investigating. What really bothers me is that the CEO of the Organisation at the time was also a Christian priest/deacon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Vennells > witness statements from Fujitsu staff due to…
I have generally found that there's not that much relation between people's stated beliefs and their actual every-day behaviour. By and large, I do think their beliefs are genuine and heart-felt, and that they're not faking them. It's just that it doesn't really influence their daily behaviour all that much. Generally people are motivated by the incentives of the moment, emotion of the moment, and that kind of thing.…
Lots of people have principles. Not so many people are principled.
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#39All the PO lawyers rewriting witness statements must go to jail. All the prosecutors must go to jail for negligence and malpractice.
Odd that so often here on HN we talk about how prisons don't work, don't deter crime, don't rehabilitate... yet whenever some CEO or high level official is caught in malfeasance, we insist that "sending them to jail" is the only proper response.
Ironically, the threat of prison might be much more effective if white collar types expected to be punished more regularly than they are. Economically, people who wind up incarcerated are often[1] on the low end of the income scale. That is, people who may feel they have little to lose by committing crimes because their standard of living isn't great to begin with. [2]
If these CEOs/HLOs felt there was a good chance they'd end up not only ruining their career but actually going to jail ... they might feel they have too much to lose to commit the crimes in the first place.
[1] https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/income.html [2] I'm not suggesting that the standard of living in prison is comparable to being free, even if you are actually dirt poor. But if you've been broke or poor, and you have no expectation of that changing, you might understand why someone might take risks.
Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"
#40Bugs are inevitable. The real issue is with the post office management that prosecuted people they knew there was a good chance were innocent, withheld evidence, falsified evidence, and harassed journalists investigating. What really bothers me is that the CEO of the Organisation at the time was also a Christian priest/deacon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Vennells > witness statements from Fujitsu staff due to…
At the risk of making a No True Scotsman argument, it's anyone's guess as to whether or not she truly is a Christian.
The only conclusion I can really draw from this is that she apparently acted in a way that's not consistent with Christian ideals.