What are the chances of battery tech advancing beyond lithium before extraction of these deposit can even begin at scale?
Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium
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Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium
#72Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium
#73Oil is the standard example. I forgot what the exact peak oil production years were supposed to be, but they went something like this: In 1880 peak oil was expected to be 1910. In 1910 it was 1940. In 1940 it became 1970. Etc. Basically we kept finding more and more as technology and practical prospecting experience advanced.
US oil production did, in fact, peak in 1970 and declined for decades afterward. Production only started to increase again about 15 years ago with the widespread use of hydraulic fracturing. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M... EDIT: To be clear, I am responding to a specific, narrow idea implied by the parent comment: that there was a prediction of peak oil in 1970, and that that predictio…
Production is not the same as existence
Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium
#74Hmm so 300 million cars with 50 kg lithium in each. That's about four years worth of global car production. Would make a dent in oil usage certainly!
Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium
#75Oil is the standard example. I forgot what the exact peak oil production years were supposed to be, but they went something like this: In 1880 peak oil was expected to be 1910. In 1910 it was 1940. In 1940 it became 1970. Etc. Basically we kept finding more and more as technology and practical prospecting experience advanced.
US oil production did, in fact, peak in 1970 and declined for decades afterward. Production only started to increase again about 15 years ago with the widespread use of hydraulic fracturing. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M... EDIT: To be clear, I am responding to a specific, narrow idea implied by the parent comment: that there was a prediction of peak oil in 1970, and that that predictio…
Yes. Think people have impression we are energy independent and Scot-free because of fracking.
Really, fracking was a second chance. A reprieve.
We'll just be behind 8-ball again if we don't take this reprieve and grow some other energy source.
Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the new oil, so I would be careful. Democracy and camaraderie and all those greater good things tend to come where the cheap resources are.
In the sense of "we'll bring Democracy to your country", yes. ;-)
Please do bring democracy to my country of birth, yes. And I mean it.
Right now it pretty much is held occupied by brute force. 90% of population would welcome ANY change.
Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
US oil production did, in fact, peak in 1970 and declined for decades afterward. Production only started to increase again about 15 years ago with the widespread use of hydraulic fracturing. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M... EDIT: To be clear, I am responding to a specific, narrow idea implied by the parent comment: that there was a prediction of peak oil in 1970, and that that predictio…
Production is not the same as existence
Every year global we discover fewer additional oil reserves than what we are currently burning.
Not that it matters. If we burn what we’ve already discovered, we’ll already be completely fucked from a greenhouse gas perspective.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
For sure. That’s what makes us exceptional. What I’m mainly pointing to is that we can’t currently just mass produce lithium. We just go around looking for it more.
https://www.cato.org/economic-development-bulletin/julian-si... > when a particular resource becomes scarcer, its price increases, and that change incentivizes people to discover more of the resource, ration it, recycle it, or develop a substitute for it. As such, population growth and resource use do not automatically lead to higher commodity prices in the long run. So no, we can't mass produce lithium, but a high e…
Sodium batteries are being researched as alternative to lithium. Same with other materials like cobalt, nickel, and graphite - there are battery versions that avoid those.
Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
US oil production did, in fact, peak in 1970 and declined for decades afterward. Production only started to increase again about 15 years ago with the widespread use of hydraulic fracturing. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M... EDIT: To be clear, I am responding to a specific, narrow idea implied by the parent comment: that there was a prediction of peak oil in 1970, and that that predictio…
Production is not the same as existence
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at the same time Thailand is no Congo. the reason stuff like this gets downvoted is that it's pretty counterproductive to list a country's sins every single time an article remotely relevant is posted, to have it devolve in to a flame war
And make everyone take extra scrolls.