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Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Looks like existing worldwide reserves are 26M tons [0], so this is a big find. [0] https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2023/mcs2023-lithium.pd...

I think that true global reserves are much higher than what we know now. Before, Lithium was important, but not nearly in the quantities needed for EV's. Now that EV's have picked up, more people will be looking for Lithium, and that will make all the difference.

> I think that true global reserves are much higher than what we know now.

That was certainly true of oil. As reserves got depleted, progressively more advanced techniques allowed people to extract from more difficult locations.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Looks like existing worldwide reserves are 26M tons [0], so this is a big find. [0] https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2023/mcs2023-lithium.pd...

That link says 98M tonnes towards the end, unless I’m misreading

I think it's 89M t resources (under the ground?) and the other number is what they already mined

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't cause conflict because China will just come in and take it. Look at what they've done with the silkroads through Laos/Cambodia. "Here, take a 'free' hydrodam on your river and we will just take some land and electricity."

Sounds like a trade to me. Predatory tho if the country is very poor and easily exploited. But as someone from a country that loves to invade others for resources I’d take predatory trading over military force any day.

You didn't dive deep enough into the literal eco/social catastrophe that the silkroad is.

It isn't military because neither of those two countries have any sort of way to defend themselves against China, but it might as well be military, because China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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CCP?

Sure they were violent when you tried to do something out of the norm, but there weren't even in the same order of magnitude compared to taliban or isis. I think you can't really lump them together. You would get banished from the community for the most part back in the day, taliban will just shoot you and your family in the face.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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There is important lesson to learn from here. Everybody who claims that there is not enough some mineral for something must consider the following. First in every moment in time there are certain number of mineral resources - these are known deposits that are not all necessarily accessible economically, but some of them are - these are reserves. If the demand for something increases then also the price will increase,…

That's a good article. The issue is not finding another tonne of lithium, the issue is cranking up production. The article says 4-5 years minimum to build a mine, but sometimes it takes 10 years.

So there is a supply issue- it is the supply produced by mines. We still could be in for more lithium prices shocks in the future as happened during the pandemic because the mining production can't elastically expand or contract (financing can make shutting down a non-option) as fast as demand. Building out a recycling program is something should be able to be done more quickly than building out a mine but there may still be issues if we don't design for recycling from the beginning.

> The world doesn’t currently have the production capacity in mining operations to scale to this level. And, the problem is that the minimum time to build lithium mines is four to five years. They can be even longer – especially the lithium extracted from brine because it takes a long time to pump the saltwater out, before waiting for it to evaporate.

> Countries have already invested in some increases in capacity, but we will need much more if we’re to keep up with demand.

> This is a short-term challenge, and one that is typical of a fast-moving market. We’re playing catch-up. But, it’s a problem that we can’t afford: it could slow the decline in battery prices, and limit the number of EVs that companies can produce.

> If we want to move the EV transition forward, we need to mine more lithium. And we need to do it quickly.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Apparently this has been disputed:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/2727119/thai-li...

>But Jessada Denduangboripant, another lecturer with the same faculty, used his Facebook page to offer a reality check. The 14.8 million tonnes, he wrote, represents the pegmatite igneous rocks that contains around 0.45% of lithium.

This is a cumulative find in an ongoing exploration project that has identified multiple sites with various grades of lithium-bearing rock:

https://www.chemanalyst.com/NewsAndDeals/NewsDetails/thailan...

The true quantity of lithium resources in Thailand will probably continue to be adjusted over the coming year, but it probably hasn't crossed the 10M mark.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone from Myanmar, this piques my interest

It's the new oil, so I would be careful. Democracy and camaraderie and all those greater good things tend to come where the cheap resources are.

In the sense of "we'll bring Democracy to your country", yes. ;-)

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Oil is the standard example. I forgot what the exact peak oil production years were supposed to be, but they went something like this: In 1880 peak oil was expected to be 1910. In 1910 it was 1940. In 1940 it became 1970. Etc. Basically we kept finding more and more as technology and practical prospecting experience advanced.

US oil production did, in fact, peak in 1970 and declined for decades afterward. Production only started to increase again about 15 years ago with the widespread use of hydraulic fracturing.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M...

EDIT: To be clear, I am responding to a specific, narrow idea implied by the parent comment: that there was a prediction of peak oil in 1970, and that that prediction failed. I wanted to clarify the history. I know that global oil production continued to increase.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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If Thailand has it, Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia probably do too. Edit: After checking on a map, probably Myanmar/Malaysia.

Given where the province is I would only speculate for Myanmar and Malaysia.

I admit that I didn't check closely enough on a map and now that I have, you're probably right about that.
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