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VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by mvdwoord »

sitkack wrote: post #47
tivert wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Realistically these products aren't being killed; they'll still be available in subscription bundles just not as perpetual licenses. But the OP says: > Listing the 56 VMware products and platforms being killed off, VMware said: “All licensing options including Perpetual, Support & Subscription (SnS), SaaS/hosted and subscription, as well as all editions, suites and pricing metrics of each product, unless otherwise…

Broadcom will not be able to extract their acquisition cost out of future customer due to their rate of cuts. Broadcom watched Arm sue Qualcomm, and was like, hold my beer. Revenue for VMware was 13.6B last year. They would have to maintain that for 4 more years just to break even on revenue . There is zero chance they will make a profit on this acquisition.

That assumes they would run the business as is, indefinitely.

If they sell some parts, fire 75% of who is left, and squeeze the hell out of numerous large corporations who literally have no choice but to pay up... I think they will be fine. Leaving behind a scorched earth, and many lessons learned.

Many large operations simply can not move away from their current stack in less than three years. But they will need support and licenses if only due to regulations. It will be mad, there will be a lot of screaming, and ultimately we will just move on, to newer and better stacks.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by tecleandor »

justinclift wrote: post #85
lightbritefight wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check put XCP-NG if youre looking in this space. Its a mature xenserver fork with a much improved interface. Migrations work well, and it has a comparatively inexpensive vsan equivalent that works well if you prefer a hyperconverged route.

Thanks. I looked at it briefly, but the project doesn't seem to be headed in a good direction. The main interface (Xenadmin) now has an EOL notice as their README: https://github.com/xcp-ng/xenadmin The other alternative now seems to be a paid solution: https://vates.tech/blog/introducing-vates-virtualization-man... That doesn't seem like a good match for my needs. :(

I think you can use Xen Orchestra with xcp-ng, isn't it?

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by justinclift »

tecleandor wrote: post #92
justinclift wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. I looked at it briefly, but the project doesn't seem to be headed in a good direction. The main interface (Xenadmin) now has an EOL notice as their README: https://github.com/xcp-ng/xenadmin The other alternative now seems to be a paid solution: https://vates.tech/blog/introducing-vates-virtualization-man... That doesn't seem like a good match for my needs. :(

I think you can use Xen Orchestra with xcp-ng, isn't it?

That's the second link I think. At least, when going to their web page, that 2nd link is what they point to.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by timekiller »

ajdjujhhhjeiznc wrote: post #56
timekiller wrote: post #36

I’m at a loss with VMware. We’ve been full vdi since 2011 and can’t afford cloud solutions. Citrix is overkill. Love Nutanix, but can’t use AHV due to VMware horizon. We’ve had zero or thin clients for all workstations. It’s been so easy, until now.

Hate to be that guy but you were probably warned about going full VDI. Those people were right to warn you.

Was never warned, when we went full vdi people were very into it. It was a huge bonus to us as a small IT dept being able to maintain and manage a large infrastructure. I think vdi is essentially dead until the swing back to on prem solutions.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by jakebee »

timekiller wrote: post #36

I’m at a loss with VMware. We’ve been full vdi since 2011 and can’t afford cloud solutions. Citrix is overkill. Love Nutanix, but can’t use AHV due to VMware horizon. We’ve had zero or thin clients for all workstations. It’s been so easy, until now.

Check out www.apporto.com - silicon Valley startup. Simple dashboard, low pricing, great service. 100% recommend on Gartner.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by antongribok »

woopwoop24 wrote: post #49

i think i will still be in tech when the pendulum swings back to on-prem, when everybody notices how awfully expensive the cloud is, after the bigger players raise the prices at will, because they killed off the competition.

I work at a Fortune 50 company and the pendulum for us has already swung back around. 5 years ago it was all "move everything to public". Now, we're building a bunch of on-prem infra and there are huge projects to move workloads back.

For us, on-prem is about half the cost for compute and storage vs public cloud.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by nunez »

tecleandor wrote: post #89
lightbritefight wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should tell whoever wrote this kb and the associated articles that the language is opaque, confusing and contradictory. Your potential customers will not enter your sales funnel with this kind of strange and misshapen noise happening about your products.

What I take from several kbs and articles is they're removing all of that as individual products, and they're selling the new all-in-one "vSphere foundation", only in a subscription model, that will have some of those functionalities and then offer some others (like NSX) as add-ons: https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-wi...

Right. Many of these products are going to be integrated into VMware Cloud Foundation, or VCF.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by woopwoop24 »

antongribok wrote: post #97
woopwoop24 wrote: post #49

i think i will still be in tech when the pendulum swings back to on-prem, when everybody notices how awfully expensive the cloud is, after the bigger players raise the prices at will, because they killed off the competition.

I work at a Fortune 50 company and the pendulum for us has already swung back around. 5 years ago it was all "move everything to public". Now, we're building a bunch of on-prem infra and there are huge projects to move workloads back. For us, on-prem is about half the cost for compute and storage vs public cloud.

Problem is that management is usually not skilled enough (or just greedy for bonus money short term) to understand what is happening. Cloud is good if you are tiny or need to scale really fast if you are growing and then move out of it. For the bigger companies it can be a good strategy to scale out, but for that you only need IAAS and no fancy cloud vendor lock-in products. you will always be cheaper if you build it on your own, if your usecase is heavy load.

you might be cheaper with colocation instead of building your own datacenter but most enterprises still have a need for their own anyway.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

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Post by vishesh92 »

jollyllama wrote: post #6
post_break wrote: post #4

AWS and Azure rubbing their hands together. We use one of these products and unfortunately will have to abandon ship.

I wonder who vSphere users can even go to

Apache CloudStack.

It supports multiple hypervisors including VMWare, KVM, XCP-ng, etc. I haven't tried but it has some features to allow users to migrate from VMWare to Apache CloudStack with KVM and/or XCP-ng.

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